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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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post #213

was not really on TikTok but a bleak day for anyone that believes in the free speech ideals the US was founded on

Aww yes I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who wrote about the need to form a more perfect union that allows hostile foreign governments to run a direct unfettered pipeline into the minds of its youth with zero oversight.

What is the narrative that is feared? What thought crime are we preventing?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#582
The largest ever constituency in the USA, has now been banned and eliminated. There has been no disclosure of factual evidence for doing this. The reason given for doing this is vague and goes in the face of almost? all? legal precident regarding property and free speach. Every single person under the age of 40, was on TicTok, and in there own way, every single one of them is going to put on a tight little smile and say "ok, then" I wonder if they are going to crash the app stores?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#583

There's an interesting cognitive bias in the western media that tends to define freedom of the press (and freedom of expression) as exactly what is perceived as freedom in this side of the iron curtain. Libgen domains are "seized", and tiktok "goes dark", but of course other countries "censor" porn or news outlets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

Censoring is different to banning though. Banning in this case is the correct word to use, censoring isn’t. You can censor things on a platform, you can’t censor a platform entirely - that is a ban.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#584

Much ado about nothing! Not available for download a day at max! (You can still use the app if it’s already installed) The ban will be repealed on Monday and it will be sold to US tech lords by month’s end. The damn hysteria is embarrassing

That’s not true though. Tik Tok chose to block US users this evening even though that’s technically not what the bill asks for.

ByteDance is flexing as well. It knows it’s not going anywhere.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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But that is precisely what I was talking about. You do not seem to find any commonality between censoring different categories of websites or apps. As far as I understand it, "media", "gambling", "porn", "politics" are quite common categories when researching (and defining) online censorship. See, for instance, https://censoredplanet.org/censoredplanet You say "banned", but that is not quite the same as "censored". J…

Because it isn't censoring. Censoring is selective removal of information. This is wholesale. The tiktok ban isn't even about suppressing information. If you search for e.g. the Moscow Times, you'll also find words like "banned", "declare illegal foreign agent" in the Western press. Censorship already applied to that news outlet, but after the feb 2023 offensive, the Russian state simply forbade the whole publication.

> You do not seem to find any commonality between censoring different categories of websites or apps.

The fact that they're different is important. Pornography is really different from journalism. Aversion against public nudity and sexual acts is deeply ingrained in many cultures, if not all. It also doesn't serve any democratic goal. Freedom of porn isn't a human right.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#586

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

Biden had plenty of time in his presidency to intervene and stop the ban that Trump started.

Instead he signed it into law without question.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#587

Is it possible that all of these are true at the same time? - Tiktok has great content and a great algorithm to help you find it - Tiktok advances Chinese interests - Tiktok spies and collects data, such as scraping your clipboard, network - Tiktok collects face recognition data on citizens worldwide - Tiktok is addictive, and designed to be - Tiktok is cultural expression, and contributes to people's feeling of iden…

>Tiktok contributed to Brexit

This does not seem possible, Tiktok was launched in 2016.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Today I learned that TikTok has been used by over half the US population! In Europe, usage numbers are significantly lower and it's still generally regarded as something for young people. In fact, I only know very few adults (in my country) who actively use TikTok.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-us...

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#589

I generally care about good and bad arguments even if I agree or disagree with the direction of the argument itself. But in terms of TikTok, I don't care. Burn it down. If Trump uses his first 100 days to pressure his 3 vote majority in the House to vote to overturn something they passed overwhelmingly it's a pretty startling indication of his priorities and loyalties in his second term. His crypto-scam this weekend…

Sheep: the wolves voted unanimously

Why did they vote unanimously? Why was it bundled into a rushed relief bill?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#590
post #148

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

None of those arguments are the salient one, which is that a geopolitical adversary has control over a major influence vector on US public opinion. They could simply have divested.

There are a very large number of posts which follow the format of the parent post, each clearly aiming to make TikTok appear equivalent to US-owned social media platforms, while ignoring the actual issue that TikTok is an active propaganda arm of the CCP.

TikTok's manipulation of the feed has been proven through extensive public studies: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/tiktok-is-just-the-beginning

The pressing need to ban it on security grounds likely extends further into non-public knowledge - Let us not forget that in the current political landscape it's pretty hard to get both major parties to agree on anything, then to actually also vote that way: but that's what happened with regard to TikTok.

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