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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by prawn » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:14 AM UTC

Melatonic wrote: post #188

bbqfog wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he saw how the world basically thought he was an amazing hero and he wanted to let people know who he really is.

I think this might actually be it - he may have been motivated in some part by fame (but planned to be anonymous and get away with it) and after the hugely positive online response decided to purposely get caught. Trial for this could be hugely publicized

If you wanted to get the message out, you could go to a media org for interview and then call police in.

I wonder if cops were monitoring major news offices because of this.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by kiba » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:14 AM UTC

hnbad wrote: post #544

lm28469 wrote: post #507

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It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

It seems far more likely to be a case of incompetence. Law enforcement actually has an extremely low rate of "solving" cases, especially if you exclude all the "solved" cases where the suspect is caught on scene or that end in a plea bargain (i.e. did not have to establish sufficient evidence in the first place). Ever since he got "caught" (if you can call someone literally telling the police where he is "the police…

People can have contradictory motives. People in real life aren't driven by carefully considered system of beliefs. Only in fiction are people required to make sense.

We just make enough sense to mostly get by in the world.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by Melchizedek » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:19 AM UTC

laidoffamazon wrote: post #542

likeabatterycar wrote: post #508

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Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain. We've all known someone with an "I can do anything" complex. Anyone can do anything... poorly. He likely deluded himself into believing he already outsmarted the cops so why even bother. Having two degrees doesn't make one a competent plumber, electrician, or in this case, criminal.

Looking at his tweets he looks like a perfect example of a smug “TPOT” postrationalist that identifies themselves as “gray tribe” and then mainlines figures like Bret and Eric Weinstein and has retrograde views. Thinking he’s smarter than the rest of us is most likely a big part of his identity.

This is supposed to be his ”manifesto”.

https://x.com/SyeClops/status/1866353712148685002

Doesn’t seem to me like he has a superiority complex. He is devastated by his mother’s illness and the actions of United Healthcare.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by zusammen » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:22 AM UTC

throwaway48476 wrote: post #547

qingcharles wrote: post #499

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A lot of people who commit crimes are suffering from a range of untreated mental illnesses. They are not always firing on all cylinders all of the time, leading to weirdness like this.

This guy had bad back problems and got surgery but it was probably ongoing. He got kicked off his parents insurance at 26 and ran out of money.

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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by rvba » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:26 AM UTC

profsummergig wrote: post #239

How did someone recognize him from that half-face photo? There must be millions of people in the East Coast who look like that.

Conspiracy theory below, so beware, I warned you.

What are the odds that since case is high profile they probably used some grey area or illegal surveillance tool from their 3 letter agency friends and made up some story how a patron recognized him.

Convinently guy also had a copy of all the incriminatint stuff with him. (In russia he would also have sims3).

Since he talked on phone, they used some voice recognition software. They probably record all the calls and the system recognized him when he made a new one (or even worse - from someone elses' phone).

Then they used this whole doctrine of not revealing the real source.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by munksbeer » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:27 AM UTC

Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her.

I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melting pot at the moment, with so much pent up anger amongst people who actually lead pretty decent lives.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by zusammen » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:31 AM UTC

qzw wrote: post #53

avalys wrote: post #13

> Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today. "I'd rather be lucky than good!" Impressive that they do seem to have found the right guy, based on the documents in his possession, and this was apparently due solely to the one photograph of his face that the police found and released. I also note that this guy apparently…

I wonder if the McDonald's employee really recognized him from those couple of off-angle photos or if Mr. Mangione himself initiated the action in order to let someone "deserving" collect the reward. It seems to me that he wanted to be caught, and the amount of evidence that he was carrying on him is obviously meant to establish his identity beyond any doubt. The amount of meticulous planning he undertook for the act…

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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by shalmanese » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:32 AM UTC

throwaway48476 wrote: post #547

qingcharles wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people who commit crimes are suffering from a range of untreated mental illnesses. They are not always firing on all cylinders all of the time, leading to weirdness like this.

This guy had bad back problems and got surgery but it was probably ongoing. He got kicked off his parents insurance at 26 and ran out of money.

He was working for TrueCar as a data engineer, he had employee provided health insurance.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by kiba » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:32 AM UTC

gwd wrote: post #553

breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

> It seems he wanted to be found. I talked to someone personally who at some point had committed a series of crimes, and at some point they started doing things that were more and more likely to get them caught; they told me they thought to themselves, "What am I doing?" But they didn't stop, and eventually got caught. In a different story, a few years ago I dropped my wallet on the sidewalk outside my house, and som…

"Wait, this doesn't make sense", believe it or not, is not the default state of humanity, nor is it even the majority of our thoughts.

I know I am not doing my body and health a favor. There's a tool called journaling, but I am not even using it right now. It's a very useful tool to get your mind into thinking "wait, this doesn't make sense", or "why am I behaving this way?"

Everyday, I say to myself that I am speeding up my decline in health, and yet nothing changes(because I don't journal).

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by benterix » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 11:33 AM UTC

munksbeer wrote: post #586

Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

> who actually lead pretty decent lives.

It's because the whole image is fake. In theory everything is fine but you know there is something very bad about the healthcare system, and the power of an institution to decide about someone else's life or death is just one aspect of it; prices inflated beyond imagination is another one (these two are related). So we pretend to live normal lives but in the back of our head we pray we don't ever need to become a victim of this system. But on the outside yes, it looks like everything is fine and we have decent lives.