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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by morpheuskafka »

coding123 wrote: post #155
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

Sending this to Elon... And quoting to capture the illegal activity: '''shmatt 47 minutes ago | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost J... I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main…

> Sending this to Elon...

Wasn't he recently accused of bending the rules quite a long way in the way to getting work permission for his first startup? I imagine he would probably agree that this is a flaw in the system, but sympathize with OP's way of "solving" it.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by dilyevsky »

gadders wrote: post #561
dilyevsky wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what would company A do at that point? > Or companies in, say, SF could let people work remotely from Pittsburgh. Hold up, didn’t you say it was “clearly unethical” if local devs are available?

OMG - there would be a bidding war for developers! VCs and Shareholders might have to take less profit so they could pay their developers more!! What a dystopian future. And as far as I can tell, Pittsburgh is in the same country as SF.

According to gadders the definition of ethical is apparently “what’s good for gadders personally”. I don’t see anything ethical about your take - i see nationalism and greed. Misguided at that btw because skilled immigration demonstrably is good for us and good for wage growth. I asked you to prove otherwise and you just gave me some econ 101 vibes crap

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by morpheuskafka »

selimthegrim wrote: post #143
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #124

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Unlikely. "Staple a Green Card to their diploma" is what Trump had to say about students from other countries that graduate from US universities. Since out of country students pay the highest tuition rates, universities love them and give them preferential admissions. Though not as bad as elementary and high schools, universities suffer from grade inflation and are reluctant to kick out paying customers, especially t…

STEM grad student tuition is paid by government grants

That's in no small part for the benefit of the US university, though, not just a personal benefit to the student. In some sense, grad students are a bit like faculty in that they are "part of" the university and contribute to its prestige and academic output in a way that undergrads don't. Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university and the accomplishments of its PI's labs.

Undergrad selectivity/quality does affect rankings too, but it doesn't probably doesn't affect faculty recruitment (except for the rare faculty that care a lot about teaching), but grad student recruitment absolutely does. Even a pathological case of a selfish PI who doesn't care about the students themselves and just cares about his own prestige/publications is going to be very interested in the quality of grad students coming in each year. Even state institutions that favor in-state heavily for undergrad generally don't do so for grad school.

Likewise, having an international faculty and grad student base is typically considered an ipso facto positive thing for a university, which has a inherent role of exchange of ideas and thus also of the people that hold them. Some countries even offer grants to arguably more generous grants to foreign students (ex. the MEXT scholarship in Japan) for that reason--having quality international students is an essential part of the prestige of their unis and one that they by definition can't improve through their own students.

Re: your point about costs, even with tuition grants, the costs of grad school in the US due to double effect of the strong dollar and high cost of living is likely to be just as high as a domestic school with higher tuition but potentially free room and board, and much lower food/transit/etc costs.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by selimthegrim »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #583
selimthegrim wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

STEM grad student tuition is paid by government grants

That's in no small part for the benefit of the US university, though, not just a personal benefit to the student. In some sense, grad students are a bit like faculty in that they are "part of" the university and contribute to its prestige and academic output in a way that undergrads don't. Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university an…

>Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university

You have a very idealized picture of what happens when a university is required to confer a certain amount of PhDs to maintain (formerly) R1 status and has to rely on F-1s to do it.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by mistrial9 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #426
lotsofpulp wrote: post #402

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That’s true, but in reality, the US chains the engineers and doctors with the specter of losing their visa and arduous paperwork over their head so that they are coerced into selling their labor at an even lower price.

I'm the first to admit it isn't perfect, but that doesn't mean there is no net benefit. hundreds of thousands of people are paid market wages on H1B visas and many get green cards. On balance, this is good for consumers and citizens. I feel like people have a gut reaction to injustice and harm where they want to trash the whole system, not realizing that would be an even greater injustice and harm. It is a counterpro…

not to dispute but rather to refine.. go to a third order effect. Imagine that Injustice is remedied (somehow involving policy), negotiations with the growing remedy system rely on growth of remedy so cleverly take advantage of the shared desire for remedy and easy public political speech win of emphasizing remedy, such that negotiations then stretch out the timeline, and add a tax, and some supervisory positions with regulatory oversight in yet another group, to be fair.. the remedy system is less remedy and more frameworks.. the Iron Law of Bureaucracy sets in.. other noise or inefficiencies or internal contradictions, grow.

Private companies play their part in implementing this remedy of Injustice and Good Policy, yet private companies exist to profit first and foremost. Management practices of labor have a sordid history, going way back.. A worker in a private company with a lottery work permit must play out the life under management in that company, whatever that may be.. And that management will also change, not always for the better.

Now its 2024.....

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by ulfw »

coding123 wrote: post #567
ulfw wrote: post #562

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No way to just immigrate to the US but thanks for your comments. I do appreciate it.

10 - 20 million just walked in but you sound like someone we should have.

Ha. That's very sweet of you to say./

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by bane »

mxuribe wrote: post #563
bane wrote: post #546

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I think you are right about the ageism. The company I'm moving to...I was interviewed by a group of people who are all about my age or older. They couldn't move fast enough to get the process moving, and skipped some of their hiring process to do so. But the others, it's diabolically schizophrenic. And the problem I really have is the time wasted by all parties. Here's my specific experiences over the last year. Ther…

Holy smokes, what a series of experiences! The things they put you through are ridiculous! And, the worse thing is that i'm sure any of those companies would have expected unbridled loyalty even after all that...which, i don't know about you, but i'm quite empty on giving any firm (even my current one) as much loyalty as i used to. Well, congrats again on the new role you got, and whew what a journey its been for you…

You as well, and good luck! The right job is out there. Don't settle if you don't have to. And if you do, don't stop the search.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by pas »

bogtog wrote: post #217
indeed30 wrote: post #125

Hang on a minute. There is absolutely nothing in this research that measures the accuracy of this approach. A user saying "I was ghosted" is not, to my mind, proof of anything. Job seekers almost never actually know if the job was real or not, so it's hard to see how Glassdoor reviews can ever provide the insight this work is looking for. I do believe that "ghost" jobs exist, often for H1B purposes, but I don't think…

If I'm understanding this right, the author gave ChatGPT-4o 2000 reviews and asks it "Are you 90% sure that this is a ghost job". Then, the author used those as labeled examples, trained a BERT model to predict the ChatGPT decision, and then applied the BERT model to the rest of the dataset. I guess this is cool, but if the goal is to pinpoint some percentage of ghost jobs overall I'm very skeptical (it's a bit disap…

the naive keyword search shows 1.6%, the GPT-then-BERT shows 21%, there's a 50% estimate from the literature

confounders abound, of course, but the proposed mechanism and other aspects all make sense

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by pas »

satisfice wrote: post #190
indeed30 wrote: post #125

Hang on a minute. There is absolutely nothing in this research that measures the accuracy of this approach. A user saying "I was ghosted" is not, to my mind, proof of anything. Job seekers almost never actually know if the job was real or not, so it's hard to see how Glassdoor reviews can ever provide the insight this work is looking for. I do believe that "ghost" jobs exist, often for H1B purposes, but I don't think…

Hail to you, person who also reads studies. The methodology is pretty weak.

can you expand on that? which parts are ok, which are bad?

and more importantly is it possible to do better with the available resources available to a "regular" researcher?

is there even some hard data on ghost job openings? (ie. from court cases or labor board cases or ...?)

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