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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by herval »

greenavocado wrote: post #483
umvi wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

Today I tried finding a rather popular product I used recently, which I had forgotten the name. I had to search THREE TIMES before finding it:

First search (“products that do X”) got me a bunch of those comparisons sites, none of them containing the one I was trying to find

Second search (“ycombinator startup that does X”) got me a page of spam, but at least I found the product name

Third search (company name) got me an ENTIRE PAGE of ads and SEO optimized pages before the actual link to the actual product

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by herval »

ponector wrote: post #527
greenavocado wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

Google is extremely good if you search for a product they can advertise to you. I've recently wanted to buy lost sunglasses. Just selected them from the photo and google found exactly brand and model, with a link to the store. If there are no sponsored links - the result is crap. Google is good at searching, they just have no incentive to show you results.

> Google is good at searching, they just have no incentive to show you results.

“ to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful” was a nice mission while it lasted

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by crakenzak »

lottin wrote: post #392
hatthew wrote: post #238

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Search engines tend to produce neutral garbage, not harmful garbage (i.e. small tidbits of data between an ocean of SEO fluff, rather than completely incorrect facts). LLMs tend to be inaccurate because in an absence of knowledge given by the user, it will sometimes make up knowledge. It's plausible to imagine that they will cover each other's weaknesses: the search engine produces an ocean of mostly-useless data, an…

Maybe it's just me but I have no interest in having a computer algorithm interpret data for me. That's a job that I want to do myself .

Sure, then just do that. No one will hold you at gunpoint and force you to use any kind of tool.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#584

Post by boringg »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I saw products in my search today and reverted back to my main concern on how AI is going to get paid for —> varying levels of advertisement, product placement etc.

We are currently in the growth phase of VC funded products where everything is almost free or highly subsidized (save chats sub) - i am not looking forward to when quality drops and revenue is the driving function.

We all have to pay for these models somehow - either VC lose their equity stakes and it goes to zero (some will) or ads will fill in where subs don’t. Political ads in AI is going to wreak havoc or undermine the remainder of the product.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by greenavocado »

herval wrote: post #581
greenavocado wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

Today I tried finding a rather popular product I used recently, which I had forgotten the name. I had to search THREE TIMES before finding it: First search (“products that do X”) got me a bunch of those comparisons sites, none of them containing the one I was trying to find Second search (“ycombinator startup that does X”) got me a page of spam, but at least I found the product name Third search (company name) got me…

Yep, this aligns with my experience!

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jen729w »

I just tried:

'beef vindaloo recipe from nagi [0], but then just strip all the shit out and give me the recipe'

...and got exactly what I wanted. The web's dead, baby.

[0]: The lady behind recipetineats.com, a terrific recipe site. And she's an A+ human.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by dredmorbius »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #404
jsheard wrote: post #303

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> The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetized with ads or propaganda, it's going to be very dangerous. Not to mention that users consuming most content through a middle-man completely breaks most publishers business models. Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Expect to see a lot more technical countermeasures and/or lawsuits ag…

> Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Traditional search is mutually beneficial... to search providers and publishers. At expense of the users. LLM search is becoming popular because it lets users, for however short time this will last, escape the fruits of the "mutually beneficial arrangement". If anything, that arrangement of publishers and providers became an actua…

This in absolute spades, and I wish there was a way to elevate comments to top-level posts sanely.

But yes: the original Web served its (non-profit-motivated) creators and readers. The past two decades of advertising-based web has served publishers and advertisers, precisely as you note. LLM is mixing that up for the moment but I sincerely doubt that it will last.

That said, I welcome the coming ad/pub pain with unbridled glee.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#589

Post by jim-jim-jim »

greenavocado wrote: post #483
umvi wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

Much like Google itself, Youtube has been trending towards ushering users to a minute collection of blessed official/popular sources, often news channels. Maybe it's in response to kvetching over ``disinformation?" Idunno, but it's absolutely infuriating for some of my interests.

If I search "Mullica Hill tornado" on yt itself, I get nothing but useless 1 min local news clips. If I search the same term on Reddit, I get first person footage of the tornado passing over people's houses—hosted on Youtube! Tornado enthusiasts still occasionally dredge up "lost media" of events like the 2011 Alabama outbreak that have been on the site this entire time, but are effectively impossible to view via the algorithm, even with the precise date and location specified.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by anonu »

So this conforms to my earlier belief that OpenAI will continue to release new features that will kill swaths of startups every few months. Perplexity may be on its deathbed. I see some comments suggesting Perplexity output quality is much better - but I think its only a matter of time before OpenAI catches up.
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