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Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by disqard »

DutchRanger wrote: post #18

I take out my earbuds even saying Hi to the bus driver I can't imagine talking to a flight attendant while wearing a VR device. It seems very uninterested in the person you are talking to. Could be just me but I think a lot of older generations share this experience. It is not hard to take out your earbuds or take off your VR device to show you are paying attention to the person you are talking to.

Yes, I found it funny that the interaction the reviewer did participate it (asking for tea) was okay to conduct while still strapped into the AVP Face Jail, but:

> One caveat is that, out of respect, if the conversation is more than the “what would you like? Tea please” deal, I do remove the headset to make direct eye contact with them. I feel that it would be sort of odd to have a full-on conversation with someone if they’re wearing a headset (like bro, just take it off and let’s talk like humans).

So there's an implied metric of "meaningful interaction" where, below a certain threshold, it's okay to treat the other person as an NPC?

Perhaps I'm being an uncharitable curmudgeon here, but I even take my earbuds out when I'm asking for tea on a flight.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by baggy_trough »

disqard wrote: post #581
DutchRanger wrote: post #18

I take out my earbuds even saying Hi to the bus driver I can't imagine talking to a flight attendant while wearing a VR device. It seems very uninterested in the person you are talking to. Could be just me but I think a lot of older generations share this experience. It is not hard to take out your earbuds or take off your VR device to show you are paying attention to the person you are talking to.

Yes, I found it funny that the interaction the reviewer did participate it (asking for tea) was okay to conduct while still strapped into the AVP Face Jail, but: > One caveat is that, out of respect, if the conversation is more than the “what would you like? Tea please” deal, I do remove the headset to make direct eye contact with them. I feel that it would be sort of odd to have a full-on conversation with someone i…

It's a hassle for you to take it off and disconcerting for the other person if you don't. If the interaction is quick, doing nothing could be overall optimal.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by hnlmorg »

amitdeshwar wrote: post #572
hnlmorg wrote: post #509

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Not if you have a medical condition like sleep apnea. I wish I could go to sleep on a plane. I’m someone who can sleep in most vehicles. Unfortunately it’s that same reason I can, which is why I shouldn’t.

You can use your CPAP machine with a external battery pack on airplanes. I do this regularly when flying long distances. In principle you should be able to also just plug in to the power sockets but for some reason this goes against most airlines policies.

Mine doesn’t support that.

The reason airlines don’t allow CPAP to be plugged in is because they don’t want people to suffocate if the power goes out in the cabin. But that’s just bonkers because CPAP masks have an escape valve for that purpose already.

In the end, I gave up arguing with the airlines and just keep myself busy on flights. It makes the travel much less comfortable but the one upside is I almost never have jet lag.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by derefr »

lynx23 wrote: post #500
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #488

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Why something so strong and not melatonin? Real question, never tried any.

I am sorry, melatonin doesn't really do anything. It might give some the extra "kick" to fall asleep in a relaxed situation at home, but it definitely is not useful for "I need to go asleep while being pretty wound up" which is what people are talking here.

One not-oft-mentioned thing melatonin seems to do (at least in my own experience) is that it cancels out the effects of earlier-consumed caffeine in preventing sleep. So if you're overtired and awake only because of caffeine, melatonin will put you out pretty quickly.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by sleepybrett »

Oreb wrote: post #484
sleepybrett wrote: post #315

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Paying three grand for a monitor you can buy for your 'second place' for a few hundred dollars seems like a choice. I'm in the same position. I considered the vision pro, but couldn't justify it, even if I used it on the flights etc. I depend on my switch/steamdeck for the plane, laptop if i have to work (I try not to, it's terrible)... and then I just went on amazon and bought a pair of 27" lg widescreens for a few…

I bought mine used for significantly less than three grand. And the thing is, I don’t have a single fixed second place. My life is rather complicated and nomadic, having a portable big screen is very convenient.

Fair, i split my time right now between seattle and nyc, made sense just to buy extra monitors for nyc.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

hammock wrote: post #356
heeton wrote: post #350

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I feel it's harder for a tesla to capture footage of a teenager reading a pamphlet on a plane, but who knows what Elon's plans are.

The airlines can do that themselves: "Newer seat-back entertainment systems on some airplanes operated by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and Singapore Airlines have cameras, and it’s likely they are also on planes used by other carriers." https://apnews.com/article/4c3ca3b46c704c6080ba026729fc8d21

I fly a lot (though not in the US) and have never seen that. Would personally boycott airlines where I notice cameras in the back seats, wtf!

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

steelframe wrote: post #339

My concerns are around the normalization of pointing high-resolution cameras at people around you all the time. Perhaps this specific device may have a company behind it that, at least at the moment, will resist handing the video feed with you in it to the data brokers. Make no mistake though, the data brokers are foaming at the mouth to get access to high-resolution constantly-streaming video content that includes y…

The current top comment in this thread recommends AR glasses from a Beijing-based company which has indirect Chinese state involvement (through Alibaba). So yeah...

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by salzig »

hectdev wrote: post #551
salzig wrote: post #189

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kinda true, but I'm surprised how some apps expect you to watch movies upright (TV+, Disney), which makes watching movies laying down quite "non ergonomic". ;)

I can lay down and recenter the windows to float above me

yes, with windows. But not with Theater Mode or 3d "Windows" (e.g. Cut-The-Rope).

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by salzig »

joestrouth1 wrote: post #550
crazygringo wrote: post #304

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The Meta Quest 2/3 finally fixed that a few months ago [1], where you "tilt" the horizon of the entire OS [2]. So it doesn't matter if an app doesn't support it -- you can lie on your bed and watch a screen directly above you even if it was only designed for horizontal use. It's a game-changer if you have back/neck problems. Does the AVP not have something equivalent? To be honest, I was surprised it took Meta so lon…

AVP doesn't support it when in 'theater mode' but if your video is a typical window you can simply lie down and recenter it onto the ceiling. The horizon stays locked but any windows can be parallel to the ground.

also not with 3d "Windows" (e.g. Cut-The-Rope).

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by brailsafe »

dagmx wrote: post #501
brailsafe wrote: post #452

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My comment, in retrospect, came across needlessly aggro and dismissive, and I apologize for that; the downvotes were justified and I don't know what frame of mind I was in. Your comment struck me as a complaint about circumstances though rather than interest, to which I'd say have at it, do what you want to do with the tech you want to do it with; I just personally can't relate to the temporary lack of novelty during…

Out of curiosity, have you tried the Vision Pro ? I legitimately ask because it sounds like you think it isolates you somehow from the rest of the world around you. But you can still see the world and communicate with others. Why is that materially different than being engrossed in a handheld video game with headphones in? Also all your examples of other stuff you do to occupy the time, they are all temporary. Why do…

No I haven't, and I am somewhat curious, but I'm also keeping up with it through some of the swift/apple podcasts and YT channels I follow. For me it's more about the cost, physical overhead, and (apparent) lack of other utility, which all-together would to me be sort of a more involved commitment than some little thing I may or may not ever bring out..

I'd only ever consider bringing something that is nearly invisible to both myself and others in terms of weight and required infrastructure, wouldn't bring anything with me for the purpose of occupying my attention that I can't forget I have, or that would consume more than a negligible amount of space/weight; I'll bring a book, but not a tome

Incidentally, Canadian cross-country trains don't even have outlets at the seat as far as I know; they're quite old sadly.

That said, I buy almost no superfluous electronics for raw consumption, and even an iPad Pro would be wildly out of scope, as nice as they seem to be, since although they do have other utility, I can't picture myself doing more than reading or watching videos. On-the-go entertainment is something I try to keep at arms length so I can spend that time at peace.

Fwiw, I do also hope it doesn't become normalized, not to squash others' potential for fun, but because our existing devices already enable people to protect themselves from social interaction on a large scale, which strikes me as damaging.

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