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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by insane_dreamer »

twoodfin wrote: post #357
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #293

I met a lady once, we were in a line at DefCon. She worked on these and was quite concerned that they'd end up on the heads of children, feeding content-reaction biometrics about those children to people who would then use that data to manipulate those children in harmful ways. I'm curious if people think that that's worth worrying about, or if the idea of optimizing ad placement based on whether it makes your pupils…

I don’t think ad placement for children should be the primary concern. Unless I’m misunderstanding the current state of the technology, it’s possible today with a little effort to put my biometrics in a feedback loop with (say) GPT-4o, and use those measurements to rapidly produce and refine an increasingly horrifying series of images, personalized to my lizard brain reactions. That’s gross, but the same technique co…

> I don’t think ad placement for children should be the primary concern.

But eventually it all devolves to this (and I include teens Remember that FB started out as a way to connect with your college buddies.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by insane_dreamer »

afh1 wrote: post #458
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #347

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We already put a phone in their hands by kindergarten... I think any kind of flashy tech in front of kid's eyes is almost always bad.

Speak for yourself.

I, for one, agree strongly with the OP.

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Post by shiroiushi »

stevage wrote: post #441
baby wrote: post #71

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Wanna see the first prototypes for mobile phones? And even then it's really good compared to a Quest, but def. not good enough if you're going to wear this on the daily

The benefit of a mobile phone was extremely obvious to everyone as soon as you said what it was. I've been reading about AR for years and I still have no idea how, if at all, I would use it. Never really come across a use case that's compelling for me. Getting WhatsApp messages without taking my phone out of my pocket feels like the opposite to the direction I'd like to move in.

>I've been reading about AR for years and I still have no idea how, if at all, I would use it.

I do: to display a moving map from Google Maps while cycling. It'd be incredibly handy for navigation in a city. Everyone these days uses a navigation app in their car to navigate (esp. to unfamiliar destinations), but how do you do that on a bicycle? You can get one of those phone mounts for your handlebars, but it's really clunky, and difficult (or impossible) to see in bright sunlight. Plus, in my experience, phones tended to fall out of them, as it was hard to find a mount that would fit a modern-size (read: large) phone; they seem to all be designed with 2010-model phones in mind.

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Post by paul7986 »

gorjusborg wrote: post #488
moralestapia wrote: post #465

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>no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy Elaborate. Do you mean this with regards to the data that users will generate when using the device? Or the privacy of the people around the wearer?

I could not care less about the the privacy of the weirdos who will try to wear these in public. I care deeply about the further normalization of surveillance capitalism. I try hard to be kind, but I will have very little patience for any individual who wears always-on cameras that infringe on my privacy. I don't use social media for a reason. Meta just wants to sell surveillance devices so they can collect more data…

Ive used Meta Ray Bans since October and talked a lot about them since on HN and other places like Reddit. Also, almost half of friends and family have mentioned privacy thing too. Though looking through these comments Im not seeing much of that worry maybe the tide is turning.

Overall i dont care to film or take pics of anyone but what im experiencing in life and those Im with. No doubt that's how what the majority of Meta Ray ban wearings are using their smart glasses too.

A year of wearing them and fairly often smart glasses are the next big thing yet they will not replace the smart phone as these tech dudes say they will. You can not take a selfies with smart glasses and we are narcissistic beings.

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Post by al_borland »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #293

I met a lady once, we were in a line at DefCon. She worked on these and was quite concerned that they'd end up on the heads of children, feeding content-reaction biometrics about those children to people who would then use that data to manipulate those children in harmful ways. I'm curious if people think that that's worth worrying about, or if the idea of optimizing ad placement based on whether it makes your pupils…

> optimizing ad placement

I don't know about anyone else, but I will never buy AR glasses with ads. That's a deal breaker for me.

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Post by nozzlegear »

moralestapia wrote: post #461
Animats wrote: post #399

Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size. Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebook's "Recommended" page, and a video of some talking neckbeard. There's a feeling of "we were promised virtual reality, and all we got was talking heads of influencers." The hardware apparently has GPS, but that's turned off. So, no Pokemon Go yet. Not even Hyp…

Even if it turns out that the only application of this is to show ads (which will not be the case), the hardware alone is a monumental achievement of engineering. I would love to see ads on these, at least once. In contrast, I've never had any interest to even try Apple's VR headset. This is one of the most well-put v1 products ever. Avoid the MKDBHC trap (or however it's spelled). Innovation beats cynicism, every da…

> Avoid the MKDBHC trap (or however it's spelled). Innovation beats cynicism, every day.

MKBHD? I don't think cynicism is something he's particularly well-known for, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Post by dools »

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me.

I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays into their ad business, but those products that I pay for aren't vehicles for advertising and I don't think Google would ever try to make them that.

Likewise, Apple does obviously advertise some of their own services (like iCloud backup) in mildly annoying ways through their devices, but by and large I'm buying a thing from them and only to the extent that I am engaged with one of their Apps (like TV+ or Music) do they try and advertise at me.

In neither case are their platforms inherently about advertising.

Facebook just strikes me as a fundamentally different company. Even if I were to pay them for these glasses I would have no confidence that it wasn't just a gigantic suckhole being fed into their slush fund of data.

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