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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by caeril »

Zironic wrote: post #132
mrtksn wrote: post #90

Ha, maybe this will be the turning point for international corporations becoming national-only? Or maybe make the big brands like Apple/Samsung the only trusted device manufacturers and completely wipe out the small ones? No iPhones exploded so far but I wouldn't be surprised if the paranoia takes over everywhere and local supply chains and local producers become a thing. "Foreign social media platforms" was already…

Yeah, I can't say I'm a big fan of this massive scale booby trapping devices all over civilian society and I suspect most nation stats are not very happy about this either. The EU is probably not going to be happy at all about Israel using an EU flagged company to do it either. This is going to create a lot of distrust in the international supply chain.

> The EU is probably not going to be happy

Happiness is irrelevant, especially when it comes to geopolitics.

In the US, criticism of Israel is antagonistic to our Judeo-Christian values.

In the EU, criticism of Israel is tantamount to the rise of a Fourth Reich.

Germany, in particular, is scared shitless of this accusation, and will accept any and all actions by Israel. This is a country who can do no wrong, and will get away with whatever they feel like.

> This is going to create a lot of distrust in the international supply chain.

This reminds me of people who were legitimately shocked to learn about the Snowden disclosures. If you don't already know the supply chain is thoroughly poisoned, and has been for decades, there is no helping you.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by vondur »

greedylizard wrote: post #570
ordinaryradical wrote: post #563

There’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” reaction that I have to this. I think we expect better of democracies, which is why these kinds of attacks shock us. But it is interesting that we are unsurprised when Lebanon/Hezbollah uses terror tactics but it quickly becomes a news event when Israel responds in kind. Ironic because drone bombings like we did in Afghanistan would probably have a much more terrible co…

I wasn’t aware those terrorists organizations had exploded devices in public spaces. Please share your source.

Are you kidding? Here's just one of many: 14 FEB 2005 Beirut, Lebanon Suicide bomber detonated a VBIED, assassinates former Lebanese Prime Minister; 22 killed, 231 wounded

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by rasz »

greedylizard wrote: post #570
ordinaryradical wrote: post #563

There’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” reaction that I have to this. I think we expect better of democracies, which is why these kinds of attacks shock us. But it is interesting that we are unsurprised when Lebanon/Hezbollah uses terror tactics but it quickly becomes a news event when Israel responds in kind. Ironic because drone bombings like we did in Afghanistan would probably have a much more terrible co…

I wasn’t aware those terrorists organizations had exploded devices in public spaces. Please share your source.

Does truck count as a device? Here is a history refresher https://aoav.org.uk/2020/a-short-history-of-suicide-bombings...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by exe34 »

freehorse wrote: post #229
exe34 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this was a special shipment created for the terrorists. this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

Were the kids killed also terrorists?

what alternatives would you propose?

1. heznobollas stop firing rockets into Israel?

2. Israel sending smart bombs with much higher collateral damage?

3. an engraved invitation later to members (hehe) of heznobollas to come and be fired upon in an open space to avoid kids?

4. or are you suggesting instead that Jews should just get used to getting fired upon and let their cities be destroyed because you don't care about Jewish kids getting killed?

anything I've missed?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by toast0 »

ianburrell wrote: post #248
tptacek wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The supply chain for an iPhone is much stronger than for a Gold Alpha pager, and it's likely that the same thing will end up being true of these ICOM radios: they'll turn out to be designed and branded by ICOM, but actually manufactured and distributed by some random Eastern European outfit that paid to use ICOM as a skinsuit. That would never happen with an Apple device.

It is likely that they were authentic Icom devices. My understanding is that it is common for commercial radios to be programmed by distributor. Or Gold Alpha gave a good deal on pagers and radios and then were intercepted from warehouse. I don't think Icom would ever put name on generic radio, they make all their radios in Japan. It is like Toyota putting name on another car.

There's lots of Toyotas in this list[1] in both directions. Toyota is happy to build cars with other people's names on them, as well as put their name on a car someone else built.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_badge-engineered_veh...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by exe34 »

gruez wrote: post #225
exe34 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this was a special shipment created for the terrorists. this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

>this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager. I never claimed otherwise. Again, the claim isn't that innocent people are carrying the pagers, is that the pagers are around innocent civilians. It's not any different than drone striking terrorists at weddings[1], which also drew criticism from human rights groups. Even if we assume the targets are definitely terrorists, that doesn't solve the issue of civilians who…

the blast radius is much smaller. from the market video, the people around him were fine, and only the heznobollah guy was considering the impact of terrorism on future generations.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by danielvf »

greedylizard wrote: post #570
ordinaryradical wrote: post #563

There’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” reaction that I have to this. I think we expect better of democracies, which is why these kinds of attacks shock us. But it is interesting that we are unsurprised when Lebanon/Hezbollah uses terror tactics but it quickly becomes a news event when Israel responds in kind. Ironic because drone bombings like we did in Afghanistan would probably have a much more terrible co…

I wasn’t aware those terrorists organizations had exploded devices in public spaces. Please share your source.

Just a few months ago, Hezbollah exploded a rocket in soccer field with children playing, killing 12 children. Doesn't get much more "exploding devices in public spaces" than that.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/11-killed-mostly-children-doze...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by numpad0 »

lukan wrote: post #518
numpad0 wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire US is going to freak out if a platoon of KGB soldiers flew into US and killed hundreds of bad guys. How objectively bad the "victims" might have been isn't going to matter. You can't just walk across a recognized international border and do the "right" thing without a consent, regardless of how right or wrong it had been. That's an act of war, technically.

You are aware that Hezbollah routinely fires missiles into Israel (and Israel fires Artillery and drop bombs)? How would you call that? There is already a war, so far it just has been avoided to become an all out war.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by exe34 »

dtornabene wrote: post #436
exe34 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this was a special shipment created for the terrorists. this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

How do you know this? you can't know it. You have no idea how many people had these devices.

it was a shipment of pagers paid for by heznobollas to communicate because they thought mossad was able to listen and track everything else. it was never a general Lebanese market pager that happens to be used by heznobollas occasionally. they bought in bulk and handed them out to their soldiers.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by toast0 »

Aerroon wrote: post #472
clueless wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"According to Sky News Arabia; Mossad was able to Inject a Compound of Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate (PETN) into the Batteries of the New Encrypted Pagers that Hezbollah began using around February, before they even arrived in the Hands of Hezbollah Members, allowing them to Remotely Overheat and Detonate the Lithium Battery within the Device."

If that's true, then does that make electric vehicles into potential car bombs if "the right thing" is injected into the battery?

If you add explosives to a car, it becomes a potential car bomb, yes. Doesn't matter what the power source is.
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