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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by nradov »

epolanski wrote: post #181
joecool1029 wrote: post #140

Again and again I've been arguing for access to information. Let Cuba land an underwater cable in Miami. Ever since I was young I was fed this line 'Glasnost helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, people wanted things their government wouldn't give them... free access to information not filtered by their government', but the US argues for some reason that Cubans can't have this. Is it fear of an even big…

Russians didn't give two shits about "free access to information", they cared to see that people in US lived richer lives that's it. Russians in Soviet union had to illegally trade and commit felonies to get their hands on some Italian mortadella. They had to go through insane lengths to buy a new tv. It wasn't glasnost but the oil crisis that ultimately killed the SU's economy and made people think that in democracy…

GDP calculations for the Soviet Union were bullshit and not to be relied upon. The numbers were heavily manipulated, and much of the country ran on a command economy where money didn't even mean much because you couldn't buy things with it.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by robocat »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #500

The United States is singular in its ability to assimilate immigrants. It is our one true superpower. The people who come to our country, like these Cubans fleeing their country, often come from societies where they lack freedoms Americans take for granted. Many Americans scarcely even acknowledge these freedoms but immigrants with their outside eye see them clearly. In doing so they refresh our founding ideals of li…

> The United States is singular

Maybe in the past, but now other countries now have wayyy more immigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_im...

Shows foreign born 15% of USA. Countries like Australia have 30% foreign born immigrants.

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Post by anonu »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform

It's just illegal immigration.

We need more immigration. But people's first act as American citizens should be a legal one.

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Post by scrubs »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

I strongly recommend modiano's occupation Trilogy on this general subject (jews in europe) 2012 Nobel prize winner (year from memory but modiano (french) def got a Nobel in literature)

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Post by baby »

gottorf wrote: post #201
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream.

How so? Short term or long term?

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Post by kjkjadksj »

np- wrote: post #359
torpfactory wrote: post #183

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There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

I’m always deeply uncomfortable with this argument. It sounds like justification for a “slave” class to do undesirable jobs with no legal protections and sub minimum wage, just so Americans can save a few bucks at the supermarket. But at what moral cost? We can’t have it both ways—if they’re here working, then it needs to be at full American wage with full American regulation/oversight. But that itself defeats the pu…

Part of what perpetuates this sort of thing is a general idea in society that one can’t do or learn something because that’s not possible for them. I’m of the opinion that if sufficiently motivated and with sufficient constraints removed, anyone can learn and do anything. The only difference between an engineer and someone breaking their back for work is that the engineer was probably coddled from birth into being told they can do anything including engineering. Not as a pipe dream but a clear path: take these classes, apply to this college, take this internship, take this job.

Meanwhile the laborer was probably told all their life they don’t have what it takes, either explicitly or not, and that thinking held them back their entire life. Why try hard in school if I am “not smart”? Why try and go to college if I can’t pay for it? Why not just do what my neighbor or my uncle does that I know is possible? Many people need to be reminded that everything is possible if they aren’t dissuaded by unhelpful ideas or people.

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Post by eastbound »

rgbrenner wrote: post #415
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

European nations suggest that some immigrant groups aren't able to integrate with the host society after multiple generations You as an American can move to France, and you'll never be considered French. Doesn't matter if you speak french every day for the rest of your life with the most perfect French accent the world has ever heard. And if you and your American wife have kids in France after living in France for 20…

> Doesn't matter if you speak french every day

Of course you will have the French nationality, and of course we’ll consider you French! Don’t even need a French wife - I have many friends like this.

I might not consider you French if you scream “I hate France, vive l’Algérie” everyday, but a LOT of people will consider you French and, quote, “More French than the right-wing extremists”. Oh, the irony. You can say you hate France and all of the people in the center of Paris and Lyon will consider you are a good French.

So no, what you are saying is blatantly false.

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Post by zapperdulchen »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #264
aegis4244 wrote: post #255

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Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant chi…

> Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation This isn’t true in general and depends on the local economy and the immigrants country of origin. MENA migrants are a net loss for Germany, for example. Even if economists agree, the money these immigrants spend lands in the pockets of rich capitalists. The entire topic is far more nuanced than you make it out to be.

Do you have some sources for your claim that MENA migrants are a net loss for Germany?

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Post by danenania »

anon291 wrote: post #553
vaidhy wrote: post #354

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Are American values static? If not, how did they change over time? Was it some group that used their capital and political organization to make the changes? If so, why is it ok for one group to advocate for a change, but the similar advocacy from another group is not ok? Just for introspection..

American values are... Pretty much static. We've been very anti government for a very long time. Left, right, center... Everyone solidly agrees they need less governance Leftists will scream about civil rights. Right wingers will tut tut about high taxes. Centrists will complain about both. But the message is clear... Less government. More individual autonomy

American government since the beginning of the 20th century has been on a nearly uninterrupted trend of increasing state power, both domestically and internationally. Politicians sometimes pretend to be anti-government to get votes, but every administration spends more than the previous one.

I wouldn’t call that static.

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