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Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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post #434

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Just vote with your pocket and don’t buy tickets from them. I do that - yes I don’t get to go to major concerts but there are still so much more that is not on ticket master. I found a lot of new entertainment and was happy to pay $4 fee instead of whatever TM charges nowadays.

That's the secret. If nobody used them, they would go away.

While this is literally true, solutions in the form of "if everyone would just X" are not solutions at all.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#582

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Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?

Patents no longer go to individual people. They go to corporations. Perhaps we should ban corporations from getting patents on behalf of people.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#583
post #573

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Airlines are preventing a secondary market. Unfavorable for your use case, but also prevents scalping airline tickets (while allowing airlines to attempt to maximize revenue). There are always tradeoffs and compromise. To hack around this, I've used Southwest Airlines; I can buy tickets for folks and if they can't travel, we cancel the ticket(s) and keep the travel funds banked for another time. I hope this is potent…

except Southwest is easily the most expensive carrier these days and other carriers have also adopted flexibility hopefully their new changes such as allowing their fares to be indexed will make them close to being competitive at some point. but today you really only get near-competitiveness (it's still bad) if you're going to check both pieces of luggage and have no way of getting free luggage on any other carrier.…

People who compare Southwest to Frontier and Spirit are not serious people. Southwest is a premium offering, if folks want to ride cattle car a la carte, I encourage them to, just don't ruin the established brand of SWA. I would rather fly dead on Southwest than alive on another domestic carrier.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#584
post #500

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Wonder no more—yes.

Do you work at ticketmaster? Otherwise, how do you confirm this?

Ticketkmaster earns interest on cash they hold[1]

This is cash that ticketmaster is holding

Therefore they will be earning interest on this.

[1] see interest incom on their latest 10-K https://investors.livenationentertainment.com/sec-filings/an...

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#585

This sort of ticketing thing is a trivially solvable problem. It is solved at every airport in the entire world millions of times per day. You provide the name of each concertgoer when you buy a ticket, and they show up with their ticket and ID. You often need to show your ID at these kinds of venues to prove you're old enough to drink beer anyway.

This is a horrible horrible idea.

It'd then be impossible to buy a few tickets to an event with the intention of finding people to come after the fact.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#586
post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airlines are preventing a secondary market. Unfavorable for your use case, but also prevents scalping airline tickets (while allowing airlines to attempt to maximize revenue). There are always tradeoffs and compromise. To hack around this, I've used Southwest Airlines; I can buy tickets for folks and if they can't travel, we cancel the ticket(s) and keep the travel funds banked for another time. I hope this is potent…

except Southwest is easily the most expensive carrier these days and other carriers have also adopted flexibility hopefully their new changes such as allowing their fares to be indexed will make them close to being competitive at some point. but today you really only get near-competitiveness (it's still bad) if you're going to check both pieces of luggage and have no way of getting free luggage on any other carrier.…

I booked a flight a couple of weeks ago. Southwest was still cheaper than American and Delta for the flight I was looking for, even before thinking about two free checked bags. Adding in the fact their seats are bigger and free checked bags, it is definitely a better value to me.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#587

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Good luck getting enough signal to play a video stream in a large crowd.

You don't need to truly stream a video capture of the app, you can have a scanner on the server side decode the barcode in the web/virtualized Android app and then only stream a couple hundred bytes, having the client regenerate the barcode

Sure, it's possible, but come on, it's not practical.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#588

I worked a summer job in a Ticketmaster box office ten years ago and had access to the whole of their UK customer database in order to print off ticket collections. I’d type in a customer’s post code and up came all of the data Ticketmaster held on them… including their password in plaintext.

I had to create an account just to reply to this; as much as TM has it's faults this is just false, it does not store passwords in any reversible way or at least hasn't for more than 2 years and all evidence removed. Source: I am an engineer within TM that has worked on integration between various booking products in the UK market.

Glad to hear their security has improved since then! This was the 2014 Commonwealth Games and I had only recently learned about password hashing so I was particularly shocked that they were exposing passwords to thin clients used by front line employees.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#589

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Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?

1. If you are first to market and still can't make money off your amazing invention, that might be a skill issue. 2. Patents wouldn't be as forceful if they didn't last that long. A decade or more is basically forever in a fast-moving field like tech.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#590

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lol, people and bands have been complaining about it for 30 years and it’s only gotten worse. Yes, you could skip concerts for the rest of your life, I suppose, to make a point. But it’s not going to fix anything.

Complaining yes, but how many people are actually putting their foot down? As for bands, they may actually be profiting from this scheme where ticketmaster ensures higher prices while taking the blame. If they really cared enough they could chose not to deal with Ticketmaster. Sure, that would limit their choices in venues which could mean lower potential for profit. Probably not going to be a real issue for the the…

The bands are absolutely profiting.

Ticketmaster is basically “customer punching bag ad a service”.

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