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Also, where is the actual ladybug? It's not in the logo.
FWIW it's ladybird, not ladybug :)
They are the same thing. The former is more common in the UK, the latter in the US.
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#582Why choose CPP to develop this instead of Rust? How do you fix all the bad security bugs? I fear you’ll just leave users vulnerable to completely new attacks, it’s a huge surface area
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Performance is overrated and irrevelant. It's simple force - not a skill. I can't do in more performat Firefox, neither it doesn't matter how performant Chromium, things that was possible in Firefox with old extensions. Not having such abilities, the only thing left to Google to talk about was.. performace - and crippling powers of Firefox. Rust is a new skill, not more of force.
Performance is overrated? What? I'm sorry but not all people are rich enough to own multiple threadrippers. Performance is a skill, probably one of the most important skills. Rust is a darn language, not a skill. You can have performant code in rust and in c++ and damnit even in brainfuck if you care enough. But the reality is that there is more performance oriented code written in C++ than in rust, and that matters.
You can make a handmade car as well but it is difficult
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Believe it or not, plenty of people prefer permissive licenses because they grant more freedom. Not everyone agrees with the GPL.
If you want ultimate freedom, just put it to public domain at the beginning.
Yup. All licensing is about brokering control. The only license that grants true freedom is no license, i.e. public domain. Everything else is a “where’s the control” shell game.
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I certainly would consider trying to contribute, but.. After seeing the drama.. Nah. Not here. Not now. Still, happy to see a new browser engine, alongside servo.
What is "the drama"? Are you referring to something besides this announcement?
The drama: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/master/CONT...
and this comment from awesomekling on their SerenityOS project https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
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It would be very cool if Servo were picked up as the engine for a new browser.
You can download Servo right now and use it as a browser: https://servo.org/download/ It is just extremely rough. It is in a far less-usable state than Ladybird even is and very prone to crashing.
But it's memory safe.
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>that wasn’t the original goal They always aimed for a better embeddable story than Gecko. That and more parallelism in layout and processing. > It’s the safer(?) one they turned to when the job security evaporated. Not safer, more like saner multithreading story. Safe rust isn't so much for security as it is safety in a parallel context.
Re better embeddability, sure. As best as I can tell the Firefox devs have been feeling some amount of dismay due to the fact that everyone embeds Chromium/Blink, despite the whole Mozilla/XUL thing having been built more as an application platform rather than as a foundation for one specific web browser. And that’s entirely understandable, as is attempting to do better on the second go-round. But now it seems that S…
> as is attempting to do better on the second go-round
You seem to be under some impression that Servo before Mozilla layoff and after Mozilla layoffs are the same? They aren't. I mean, the code is a continuation of effort, but the people who worked on it before and after the Mozilla exodus aren't the same.
Servo originally did have the same goal of better embeddability, but after it's resurrection it's only the same by mostly coincidence. Sponsors (Tizen IIRC) wants a fast embeddable browser. That's about it.
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That certainly wasn't the intention. Was there really a need to turn this into a personal swipe? This is a common outcome many smart and talented developers have historically come to regret. You can find their stories all over the web, including right here on HN. I didn't want to see the same thing happen here, is all.
There are very simple game theoretic-esque arguments that many fans of BSD/MIT dogmatically refuse to acknowledge, I've never gotten a straight answer from them, zero actual data when asked for any against my argument and just try to weasel out of the debate somehow.
I don’t maintain any particularly important software, but I would be extremely happy to know that code I wrote is used in major products everyone uses; so, I prefer to use licenses that minimize the burdens on users.
Also, I don’t think intellectual property is real and so I don’t think I can make demands on the users of my code: it seems to me that there’s an implicit contradiction in the GPL between the FSF’s anti-IP stances and their attempt to control how their software is used using IP constructs.
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Safari is better than Chrome in many ways, arguably most.
Sure, it does have some benefits. Like lower energy consumption, I hear good things about JavaScriptCore (Safari's JS engine), that said, so many of the features are missing, and one part is it encroaching on the iOS apps territory.
> so many of the features are missing, and one part is it encroaching on the iOS apps territory.
Be careful when listing those features. Many of those "encroaching" are Chrome-only non-standards
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Maybe I missed something but your arguments seem be about how Apple’s locking down of iOS/iPadOS and Safari are harmful to user freedom. That’s a very different argument from the one the person you’re replying to was making. They were saying that the popularity of Apple’s mobile devices coupled with their only running Safari holds back a Chrome monopoly in the browser space. If people don’t support Safari they lose o…
> If people don’t support Safari they lose out on a large portion of users. If people don't support Safari, it's because the free market has spoken and overwhelmingly chooses alternative options: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl... The story would be different, if Apple wasn't miserly with their native APIs and App distribution. But this is indeed a harmful and competition-restricting deci…
> because the free market has spoken
You mean the company dominating the internet heavily promoted and pushed users towards its own browser.
> If their users preferred a more feature-filled browser
Where by "feature-filled" you mean "all the Chrome-only non-standards because free market or something"