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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by noahtallen »

mdaniel wrote: post #559
data-ottawa wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since Apple added password management to Safari it’s been clear that 1Password was going to get Sherlocked, the switch to enterprise mashes perfect sense from a corporate perspective. Chrome and Firefox offer the same features, so now every browser is competing too. I’m finding most of the friction with 1Password I run into is actually Apple competing for autofill in Safari creating two completely different UIs…

> clear that 1Password was going to get Sherlocked, I'm actually of the same opinion as the GP comment, modulo that I'm not ever going to jump ship to an Apple password manager, but I'll point out that 1Password will most certainly not get Sherlocked since they are not Apple-centric and thus Apple would have to (gasp) release a Passwords.app client for Windows and Linux plus a cli and kubernetes operator in order to…

Passwords.app is coming to windows (iCloud is on Windows already)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by j_hall_in »

hwc wrote: post #561

I've been using Bitwarden for a few years. It seems to do everything I need, and is cross-platform. I have a soft spot in my heart for `pass` ( http://www.passwordstore.org/ ), but it's a pain to access it from my phone.

Yes I love love love BitWarden.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dvngnt_ »

afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

keepassxc works for me on android, windows, and mac

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by pasc1878 »

josephcsible wrote: post #574
pasc1878 wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes Mozilla's does - to Firefox. There are cases I need to use Safari or a Chrome based browser. This is the main reason I got 1password in the first place. and where do you store your passwords for apps?

That's not lock-in, though, since Mozilla makes it very easy to export your saved passwords to a .csv file if you ever do want to switch ecosystems. I use KeePassXC to store passwords for apps.

So does Apple make it easy to export even now, just one click on the menu in the System Settings. I assume having an app would make it easier.

So you have two password managers one for Firefox and the other for apps. What happens if you have an app login that is also a web site? Two entries of the same thing?

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Post by zer0zzz »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #583
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

keepassxc works for me on android, windows, and mac

keepassxc is incredible, truly slept on. I use safari keychain as well, as a copy. But my master store is keepass. It boggles my mind that people pay for 1password.

Btw, is keepassxc on Android now or are you referring to one of the many Android keepass apps? I use keepassium on iOS.

I pay for protonmail and also store a copy in protonpass. Proton pass has a nice web interface and doesn’t require me to copy a keepass file or logon to iCloud on my work computer so I use that sometimes too.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by herpdyderp »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #447

I’ve had my iCloud account corrupted twice since they switched from dot Mac. Zero chance I’ll ever trust Apple with anything serious. I don’t even trust them to keep my contacts safe from corruption. Never going to trust them with my passwords.

Isn't it all saved locally as well? Were your local files corrupted at the same time?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by babypuncher »

rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

> actively prevent pasting a password.

I will NEVER understand this one. Do they want me to pick a shitty password? I'm not gong to type a string of of 20 mixed-case and special characters into a private text box on my phone. It always takes 3 or 4 tries to even get it right.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ethbr1 »

davidfischer wrote: post #563
icee wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keychain Access has been there since the beginning of OSX/macOS. It's quietly been storing email and wifi passwords this entire time. Many, before there was an alternative like 1Password, used the app to store other info within as well through secure notes. Passwords in iOS and Safari, along with Keychain sync in iCloud have expanded the keychain functionality over the years and it's been fine for ~25 years or so. I…

Keychain Access has not been "fine". It's had multiple unaddressed data loss bugs. For example, Keychain lost all passwords from all Keychains after the Catalina update[1] and this wasn't fixed in the next 3 Catalina minor updates. Multiple users reported the issue to Apple and the response was crickets. Even if you restored the passwords, it helpfully deleted them all again. I switched to 1Password and declared Keyc…

That does seem like one Apple fault, that Microsoft does better -- triaging actual bugs.

Apple has devs. Maybe some teams are short-staffed, but they fix things.

What Apple doesn't seem to have is a functional bugfix priority loop that includes customer input and provides feedback.

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Post by ketralnis »

afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

> anything other than a safely encrypted SQLite file

There is a little bit of subtlety to this https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/6487/pwvault.pdf

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by allenbina »

sircastor wrote: post #575

We're BitWarden users in our house. We switched from LastPass after they double the price for the 2nd year in a row. We each have our own accounts, and then a shared organization. If it were just me, I'd be tempted to just switch everything over. My wife is smart, and technically competent, but isn't interested in switching to new things until the pain points are too much. If I want to move to a new app or a new serv…

I moved from lastpass to bitwarden also, but I don't see the reason to move to apple passwords. I'm mostly linux at home, and I use the bitwarden browser plugins for chrome and firefox. I wonder how they plan to integrate browsers, since I imagine they won't have a linux app. Historically, they haven't written great windows apps, so I wonder how this will fair.
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