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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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It is absolutely just you. Almost everyone would prefer not to have repeats of Enron, FTX etc where poor corporate governance and unethical behaviour is tolerated just because the company is making lots of money.

I'm not sure OpenAI compares to Enron or FTX in terms of unethical behaviour or financial fraud. The only similarities might be, funnily enough, disfunctional boards (or in FTX's case, no board).

Yet.

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One of my most valuable memories is when I dismissed ChatGPT the day it came out. I didn't bother trying it; GPTs were just autocomplete, and OpenAI had already stretched the limits of what autocomplete could do, so this ChatGPT would just be slightly better autocomplete. Much like pg dismissing Facebook as lame when it first launched, I was exponentially mistaken: https://paulgraham.com/swan.html > History tends to…

It is a very fancy autocomplete indeed, but it's not like you missed anything on day 1. The engineering they put around GPT to make it work as a smart translator and eloquent "brainstormer" and whatnot is impressive, but so far there's no killer app in sight. (The biggest bang for the buck seems to be Copilot.)

It is the killer app in itself. You might be underestimating it's impact and how much usage it's getting (not always for good things, not always for bad).

It's totally permeated many areas of life for people.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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I'd rather not, given that their interests more often than not seem to be at the expense of my interests.

How has Amazon expensed your interests? Most everything I buy, other than food, comes from Amazon. The local supermarket stopped selling laundry powder detergent, so now I push a button on my computer and Amazon drops off a box of Tide the next day. And it's cheaper than what the supermarket used to sell it for, too. Even better - the AMZN stock I bought pays for it! I was looking for an unusual art print the other d…

Cognitive dissonance in action. Why not try talking to workers there who do not have money to invest.

Even in the UK, I know people on zero-hour contracts (no security) who are working unhealthy hours and in unhealthy environments who will be replaced by robots soon enough. But there are few local jobs, partly because Amazon drains wealth from local communities, local businesses close and wealth is siphoned out to rich shareholders elsewhere, as oppose to circulating in the same community.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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While most of the interview is boring and nothing new has been said by Toner, to me, it feels like huge political fight where sama tried to overthrow her first and then Toner went in attack mode trying to overthrow him. It's clear she was the lead instigator and accidently found Illya as sympathetic co-conspirator. Board was obviously ok and took no action when they weren't informed about release of ChatGPT. It also…

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So we now have a lying psychopath in charge of the most advanced AI, and no safety team to blow a whistle. I don't think legal restrictions on AI or AI research are plausible, but perhaps we should have some licensing and psychological, ethical requirements for people owning and directing AI development.

Imposed and enforced by whom, if not the law?

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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When the board fires you for wrongdoing it is like being deported from a foreign country for breaking that country’s laws. You can’t just go against that decision. It would be like telling the government that no, in fact they are the ones who are wrong and no, I didn’t break the law it is in fact their laws which are broken. When you have irreconcilable differences with the board you could theoretically jump ship and…

> It would be like telling the government that no, in fact they are the ones who are wrong and no, I didn’t break the law it is in fact their laws which are broken. You know a number of people are in that position though. My first thought went to Samsung's chairman who will break the law and go to prison, but the country will have him back, bending over backwards to somewhat have it make sense.

> It would be like telling the government that no, in fact they are the ones who are wrong and no, I didn’t break the law it is in fact their laws which are broken.

Reminds me of the Wirecard scandal doc on Netflix. Wirecard was so powerful that the financial regulators (BaFin) started targeting journalists and actively defending a publicly traded company.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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It’s utterly mundane, completely common knowledge for those who have been around long enough to have watched both the start and end on Loopt that Altman is a dark-triad sociopath with one marketable skill: (in pg’s words) “becoming powerful”. Guy can’t code, can’t design, can’t publish, can’t climb a traditional corporate ladder with even modest guardrails against fraud, can’t keep his hand out of the cookie jar. Can…

I think it might be time to turn back the clock a bit and revisit some of the things pg said way back when he was pitching Sam Altman to lead YC and the general reaction was "...who?" 2008: "You could parachute [Sam Altman] into an island full of cannibals and come back in 5 years and he'd be the king. If you're Sam Altman, you don't have to be profitable to convey to investors that you'll succeed with or without the…

> Altman, and Musk, and Zuckerberg, and Bezos, and Ellison, and Edison

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

#590

And the pile of evidence that demonstrates Altman is a high-IQ psychopath grows ever taller.

Evidence that the earth is flat grows ever taller as well. If you have no method for removing things that turn out to not be true, only taller will the pile grow.

What's your basis for cutting? What's the underlying principle here?
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