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Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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What there are still people who don't install Voidtools' Everything on all Windows PCs and assign it a global shortcut? Since I have it I don't even bother organizing stuff

This is the first time I've heard of it. https://www.voidtools.com/

That plus Microsoft PoweToys (which inexplicably isn’t installed by default) are the only things that make Windows useable to me.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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IBM didn't want to design a power-efficient PowerPC chip. And then they switched from Intel once Intel stopped being able to design new power-efficient chips.

Well, that's not what the story was at the time. "You don't order enough" was the reasoning. Further, nearly contemporaneously after apple M chips debuted intel released chips with P and E cores. Furthermore, Intel made lots of chips that have TDP under 10W, even 5W - multicore, even. I still use them to run HA VMs for emergency communications internet gateways. "power-efficient" is a weird thing to claim, anyhow. Wh…

> "power-efficient" is a weird thing to claim, anyhow. What does it mean?

Cycles per Joule, or cycles per second per watt. While staying at the laptop-level available power envelope.

> PPC were much faster per socket than maybe even server class chips by intel

The absolutely top POWER chips were at the time _somewhat_ superior to Intel (and AMD), but not by much. And that superiority was achieved by raw strength, the POWER chips had a very large die with tons of additional cache, and ran at higher frequencies (i.e. more power dissipation).

However, laptop-class chips were absolutely underpowered. Intel ran circles around them. The same was true for consoles, PS3 had a puny underpowered CPU (with multiple co-processors that were supposed to make parallel tasks easier), and XBox360 was barely better than then current top desktop CPUs.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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What there are still people who don't install Voidtools' Everything on all Windows PCs and assign it a global shortcut? Since I have it I don't even bother organizing stuff

It's amazing. It does what Google Desktop tried and failed to do on Windows XP. And it's blazingly fast by reading NTFS directly instead of using the Windows API. (OK, back then needing 1GB of RAM was pretty much impossible.)

Does Everything search file contents? I've only used Everything for searching filenames (and it is fantastic for that). Google Desktop's sweet spot was searching within files.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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RIP Google Desktop, 2004-2011

Losing Google Wave, then Google Desktop search and then Google Reader like shot ducks in a row truly signified the death-knell of "Don't Be Evil" days.

Also lost Google Toolbar in 2011. Though that was far less essential once Chrome came out.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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It's amazing. It does what Google Desktop tried and failed to do on Windows XP. And it's blazingly fast by reading NTFS directly instead of using the Windows API. (OK, back then needing 1GB of RAM was pretty much impossible.)

Does Everything search file contents? I've only used Everything for searching filenames (and it is fantastic for that). Google Desktop's sweet spot was searching within files.

The stable version cannot. 1.5 Alpha can do it. It can also index properties (as in resolution, author, song/movie length, etc.)

So far I would recommend that one, it has tons of new features (including a change journal that shows renames, moves and deletes in real time) and I didn't experience a single bug yet. And it is even faster.

https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9787#new

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Windows Everything finds any file globally in the blink of an eye, let's you sort in real time by size/date, live-edit your query, and also perform operations on the result in the list, so much better that any find

Just so there's no confusion, eviks means "everything" by voidtools, which is really amazing. The difference in search speed is like day and night.

It's highly optimized, but it still needs quite a bit of RAM when the index is large. But RAM is cheap nowadays. It's the only thing I really, really miss when I am on Linux. (there is FSearch, but it's not quite as great, yet)

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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post #583

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Does Everything search file contents? I've only used Everything for searching filenames (and it is fantastic for that). Google Desktop's sweet spot was searching within files.

The stable version cannot. 1.5 Alpha can do it. It can also index properties (as in resolution, author, song/movie length, etc.) So far I would recommend that one, it has tons of new features (including a change journal that shows renames, moves and deletes in real time) and I didn't experience a single bug yet. And it is even faster. https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9787#new

Wow. I had no idea such a significant capability expansion was in the works!

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Well, that's not what the story was at the time. "You don't order enough" was the reasoning. Further, nearly contemporaneously after apple M chips debuted intel released chips with P and E cores. Furthermore, Intel made lots of chips that have TDP under 10W, even 5W - multicore, even. I still use them to run HA VMs for emergency communications internet gateways. "power-efficient" is a weird thing to claim, anyhow. Wh…

> "power-efficient" is a weird thing to claim, anyhow. What does it mean? Cycles per Joule, or cycles per second per watt. While staying at the laptop-level available power envelope. > PPC were much faster per socket than maybe even server class chips by intel The absolutely top POWER chips were at the time _somewhat_ superior to Intel (and AMD), but not by much. And that superiority was achieved by raw strength, the…

> The relationship between Apple and IBM has been rocky at times. Apple openly criticized IBM for chip delivery problems, though Big Blue said it fixed the issue. More recent concerns, which helped spur the Intel deal, included tension between Apple's desire for a wide variety of PowerPC processors and IBM's concerns about the profitability of a low-volume business, according to one source familiar with the partnership.

>IBM loses cachet with the end of the Apple partnership, but it can take consolation in that it's designing and manufacturing the Power family processors for future gaming consoles from Microsoft, Sony and Ninendo, said Clay Ryder, a Sageza Group analyst. "I would think in the sheer volume, all the stuff they're doing with the game consoles would be bigger. But anytime you lose a high-profile customer, that hurts in ways that are not quantifiable but that still hurt," Ryder said.

furthermore, if you look past the "Intel is just too slow for the power envelope" that you stated:

>The "bad quality assurance of Skylake" was responsible for Apple finally making the decision to ditch Intel and focus on its own ARM-based processors for high-performance machines. That's the claim made by outspoken former Intel principal engineer, François Piednoël. "For me this is the inflection point," says Piednoël. "This is where the Apple guys who were always contemplating to switch, they went and looked at it and said: 'Well, we've probably got to do it.' Basically the bad quality assurance of Skylake is responsible for them to actually go away from the platform."

So both of the claims about cycles/J being the reason are just sound bite ahistoria.

>The PowerXCell 8i powered super computers also dominated all of the top 6 "greenest" systems in the Green500 list, with highest MFLOPS/Watt ratio supercomputers in the world.

that's 2008 - when apple originally announced they'd complete the move to intel.

PS3 underpowered?

>According to Folding@Home in a statement on its website; “Using the Cell processor of the PS3, we should be able to do more folding than what one could do on a PC. Also, since the PS3 has a powerful GPU, the PS3 client will offer real time visualization for the first time.

Also if you compare like for like, the CPUs IBM put out in 2005 with 3.2ghz had a TDP of 75W. Intel CPUs in 2005 at 3.2GHZ used 130W TDP. both used 90nm processes.

You're fractally wrong. I could actually keep going with every claim you made and put paragraphs in. I'm sorry.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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It worked ok for finding apps, not so much for random files or especially content within files.

If you had it index everything you want to find it would do just that. And be excruciatingly slow, unreliable and wasting Gigabytes of storage. All while consuming tons of CPU time in the background. The idea of an indexing service is good though. KDE's Baloo faces similar issues. It's not that easy to make it a good experience. Everything (mentioned in this thread) comes closest to being fast, reliable, and usable.…

Yet spotlight did manage to do just that without those drawbacks.

For some reason its accuracy has dropped in recent years but in the Tiger days it was really good.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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What there are still people who don't install Voidtools' Everything on all Windows PCs and assign it a global shortcut? Since I have it I don't even bother organizing stuff

Does anyone know of a similar tool for macOS? I'd gotten really comfortable with a Ctrl+Alt+S binding on Windows for Everything and miss it these days on macOS.

It's nowhere near as fast as Everything on Windows, but Find Any File[0] aka FAF is a lifesaver for me and I consider it "indispensable" on macOS.

[1] https://findanyfile.app

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