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Post by obmelvin »

Hugsun wrote: post #298

Very interesting and extremely impressive! I tried using the voice chat in their app previously and was disappointed. The big UX problem was that it didn't try to understand when I had finished speaking. English is a second language and I paused a bit too long thinking of a word and it just started responding to my obviously half spoken sentence. Trying again it just became stressful as I had to rush my words out to…

This was such a huge issue for me and made it very difficult to use conversation mode to practice any sort of professional interaction or presentation

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Post by elliotto »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #150

I found these videos quite hard to watch. There is a level of cringe that I found a bit unpleasant. It’s like some kind of uncanny valley of human interaction that I don’t get on nearly the same level with the text version.

All these demo style ads/videos are super jarring and uncanny valley-esque to watch as an Australian. The US corporate cultural norms are super bizarre to the rest of the world, and the California based holy omega of tech companies really takes this to the extreme. The application might work well if you interact with it like you are a normal human being - but I can't tell because this presentation is corporate robots talking to machine robots.

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Post by ec109685 »

erickhill wrote: post #413

I think it’s safe to say Siri and Alexa are officially dead. They look like dusty storefront mannequins next to Battlestar replicants at this point.

I wonder how much Siri being brain dead is due to it being free. The OpenAI version likely costs 1000x more than Apple’s per query, but is rate limited. Would Apple release something similar for free?

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Post by irjustin »

lottin wrote: post #569
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

But in this case you're not talking with a real person. Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

> Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

Is that because you're not used to it? Honestly asking.

This is probably the first time it feels natural where as all our previous experiences make "chat bots" and "automated phone systems", "automated assistants" absolutely terrible.

Naturally, we dislike it because "it's not human". But this is true of pretty much any thing that approaches "uncanny valley". But, if the "it's not human" solves your answer 100% better/faster than the human counter part, we tend to accept it a lot faster.

This is the first real contender. Siri was the "glimpse" and ChatGPT is probably the reality.

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https://vimeo.com/945587328 the Khan academy demo is nuts. The inflections are so good. It's pretty much right there in the uncanny valley because it does still feel like you're talking to a robot but it also directly interacting with it. Crazy stuff.

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Post by grfn »

Feels like a really good engineering in a wrong direction. Who said that the audio is good interface anyway? Audio is hard to edit, slow and has low-information density. If I want to talk to someone and have low-information but pleasant exchange I can just to talk to real people, I don't need computers for it.

I guess it is useful for some casual uses, but I really wish there was more focus on the reasoning and intelligence of the model itself.

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Post by tpowell »

jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

Custom Service Chat Bot: Do they keep you in a cell? > Cells. When you're not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box? > Cells. Interlinked. What's it like to hold the hand of someone you love? > Interlinked. Do they teach you how to feel finger to finger? > Interlinked. Do you long for having your heart interlinked? > Interlinked. Do you dream about being interlinked? Have they left a place for you where you can dream? > Interlinked. What's it like to hold your child in your arms? > Interlinked. Press 4 for your account balance.

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Post by arvinsim »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #549
jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

Imagine how warped your personality might become if you use this as an entire substitute for human interaction. Should people use this as bf/gf material we might just be further contributing to decreasing the fertility rate. However we might offset this by reducing the suicide rate somewhat too.

With the loneliness epidemic, I fear that it's exactly what it will be used for.

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Post by darajava »

Something I’ve noticed people do more of recently for whatever reason is talking over others. I’ve noticed in the demos of this that the people interacting with o interrupt it as if that’s the correct method of controlling it. It felt unnatural when I saw it happen, and I even have a hard time interrupting Siri, but I wonder if this is going to ingrain this habit into people even more.

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Post by tkzed49 »

darajava wrote: post #588

Something I’ve noticed people do more of recently for whatever reason is talking over others. I’ve noticed in the demos of this that the people interacting with o interrupt it as if that’s the correct method of controlling it. It felt unnatural when I saw it happen, and I even have a hard time interrupting Siri, but I wonder if this is going to ingrain this habit into people even more.

I think they have to for the demo, because otherwise GPT will ramble for roughly 3-5 paragraphs. But that's a fair point that this could teach that behavior.

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Post by thedaly »

darajava wrote: post #588

Something I’ve noticed people do more of recently for whatever reason is talking over others. I’ve noticed in the demos of this that the people interacting with o interrupt it as if that’s the correct method of controlling it. It felt unnatural when I saw it happen, and I even have a hard time interrupting Siri, but I wonder if this is going to ingrain this habit into people even more.

> Something I’ve noticed people do more of recently for whatever reason is talking over others.

I've noticed this as well and I posit this is a result of increased use of remote communication and meetings platforms such as zoom since 2020.

My inclination is that the behavior will not correlate with interrupting chatgpt or siri. Seems totally separate to me.

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