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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.

Isn't the Porsche Taycan in the Model S price range?

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Yea neither are teslas, read the fine print.

Love it. Yet another cop out. But it's all in Teslas style, they've been blaming user error for known design flaws as well and have forced unsuspecting customers to pay for that.

Yea, the contract you agree to in the terms and conditions before using those features, its a cop out.

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Pads and rotors - yes. Fluid - probably not. Usually changing fluid every 2 years is a good idea. Both to keep brakes performance and prevent rusting due to water slowly making it’s way into the system.

Tesla recommends checking the fluid level once every 4 years. Brakes on Teslas normally are not used much, so the fluid doesn't get heated.

Brake fluid is not flushed due to heat cycling, that is what bleed maintenance is for. Flushing every 2 years is because brake fluid is hygroscopic (absorbs water), and even brake systems are not perfectly sealed. Water in the fluid reduces its effectiveness and can cause rusting in the brake lines, leading to failure.

EVERY vehicle should have brake fluid flushed every 2 years. That Tesla recommends 4 years is straight out incompetent.

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Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

What else have you driven?

Admittedly nothing too impressive. Common sedans and SUVs. Several models of Toyota Corolla, a Land Cruiser, a VW Polo, Renault Zoe, Nissan Terrano II, Nissan Rogue, Prius, Mazda 2, Mazda 6, Dodge Charger, Hyundai Accent, Kia Nero. Bunch of others I'm forgetting; definitely no luxury brands. A couple of motorcycles, and a tank, once.

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Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

Not the OP, but I've daily driven a Model 3 for several years now and have a list. It's not a huge list, and some of them aren't unique to Tesla, but a lot are. Problems that I think are unique to the Tesla: Even after 4+ years of driving, I still hate the door handles. They require so much more dexterity than "normal" car door handles. You gotta aim your thumb at a quarter sized spot, then push in so that your finge…

100% agree on the door handles. They're objectively worse than regular old handles. But I got used to them.

I... haven't really heard of anyone else having the roof spontaneously shatter. I imagine my opinion would turn as well. If I hear of more cases I would definitely change my mind and sell.

The UI is terrible, but living where I do there's traffic almost all the time, and I generally go the speed of the car ahead of me, so I'm not really concerned with speeding. I don't mind turning to see the speedometer, my previous car, a Yaris, had the speed display at about the same angle from me.

I haven't experienced lag with the cameras.

Closing the frunk was always easy for me I just lean on the top gently for a second and it latches no problem. I don't use it much though.

I hate autopilot, see my comment above.

+1 for loving to drive it. You have the power you need and the ride is smooth. I'm told some of the other electrics are also as smooth, but the Supercharger network and my experience with non-Tesla public chargers makes the choice of an electric very easy.

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Tesla recommends checking the fluid level once every 4 years. Brakes on Teslas normally are not used much, so the fluid doesn't get heated.

Brake fluid is not flushed due to heat cycling, that is what bleed maintenance is for. Flushing every 2 years is because brake fluid is hygroscopic (absorbs water), and even brake systems are not perfectly sealed. Water in the fluid reduces its effectiveness and can cause rusting in the brake lines, leading to failure. EVERY vehicle should have brake fluid flushed every 2 years. That Tesla recommends 4 years is strai…

On a system as critical as the brakes, I highly doubt they yolo just guessed and said, eh, just make it 4 years, that sounds good. I find it far more believable they did extensive testing of the brake system, which they build, and thus know just how much water is and isn't getting into the system, and what a good fluid replacement interval is.

Or maybe everyone that works there is an incompetent monkey and they never test anything, ever. It's probably that, definitely. That's also why we see so many stories in the news about 5 year old Tesla's brakes failing. Given that we all know how long full self driving has been promised, I'm sure we'll get those news stories any day now.

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.

Model S price segment competitiors: Porsche Taycan, Mercedes EQS, Lucid Air, BMW i7, Genesis G80 EV, Audi e-tron GT

Model X price segment competitors: Audi Q8/SQ8 e-tron, BMW iX, Mercedes EQS SUV, Lotus Eletre

There are dozens of EVs with better powertrains and interiors for less money than the S/X. I have merely listed cars with similar MSRPs.

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> why are you buying an electric car in the first place When you compare the current Model 3 feature-wise to most other brands, it's a no brainer. You need to fork out a lot more than 50k to get the assist and safety features, leather seats, seat heating, power seats, cameras, sound system, heated steering wheel, matrix headlights, backseat control screen, 4wd, performance and so on. Not having to deal with sales peo…

In what country you need to spend a lot more than 50k to get those features ? They are pretty standard for that price range. It's also a bit ironic that you mention 'not dealing with regular maintenance', under the article stating that Model 3 is literally the worst car on the market when it comes to significant faults. All that being said, I'm still interested why the OP is at his 4th Tesla.

Thinking of euros here, also in the Netherlands. Adjust that down to 35k or what the Model 3 costs in the US.

For example: speccing out a BMW X1 which is a smaller car than the Model Y, to match all the Tesla standard equipment, takes the final price to over €70k (and that’s without choosing the best engine option). While the Y already offers the same features at €45–54k, more space, huge panorama roof and ridiculously better performance. Unfortunately some companies are continuing this tradition in their EV product lines as well.

“No maintenance” refers to the lack of engine, no oil changes, less moving parts, longer brake pad life due to regen, which is one of the answers to why buy an EV.

If you are leasing, it’s normal to replace the car every 2-3 years as it gets old, especially an EV. 10-20% of all cars, and >50% of EVs on the road are on a company lease here.

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Brake fluid is not flushed due to heat cycling, that is what bleed maintenance is for. Flushing every 2 years is because brake fluid is hygroscopic (absorbs water), and even brake systems are not perfectly sealed. Water in the fluid reduces its effectiveness and can cause rusting in the brake lines, leading to failure. EVERY vehicle should have brake fluid flushed every 2 years. That Tesla recommends 4 years is strai…

On a system as critical as the brakes, I highly doubt they yolo just guessed and said, eh, just make it 4 years, that sounds good. I find it far more believable they did extensive testing of the brake system, which they build, and thus know just how much water is and isn't getting into the system, and what a good fluid replacement interval is. Or maybe everyone that works there is an incompetent monkey and they never…

Like anything in safety critical engineering there are margins of safety. Seal failures in the top end of the brake system can cause water ingress without immediate impact on the braking system but will eventually cause hard lines to rust through, causing sudden and catastrophic failure of the braking system.

The hydraulic portion of the braking system in a Tesla is not significantly different than any other passenger car, so yes, it’s utterly incompetent to recommend twice the maintenance interval.

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> That goes for their software also, absolute junk. Compared to what? I am a BMW owner who would never recommend this brand to anybody because of its horrible build and software problems. Thank God for CarPlay!

I always find this sentiment about BMW surprising - iDrive is my favorite of the OEM infotainment systems.

Every time I get in the car, the left&right side mirrors change their position with a few extra mm to the outside. The heads-up display loses its saved position every few trips. Profile management is a mess, as is recognizing the wrong driver (me or wife) when we are both in the car. Unlocking the car with my iPhone is a hot mess. The US connecteddrive app (which I use since I have the US AppStore) does not work with the European account made on an European car (which I own).

And these are just a few of the software problems BMW has. On the hardware side I experienced electrical problems, badly installed parts, crappy rubber and complete loss of coolant. New car, lightly driven, btw.

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