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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by aantix »

phi0 wrote: post #513
lkbm wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth remembering that AI is more than LLMs. DeepMind is still doing big stuff: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/millions-of-new-materi...

I just want to underscore that. DeepMind's research output within the last month is staggering: 2023-11-14: GraphCast, word leading weather prediction model, published in Science 2023-11-15: Student of Games: unified learning algorithm, major algorithmic breath-through, published in Science 2023-11-16: Music generation model, seemingly SOTA 2023-11-29: GNoME model for material discovery, published in Nature 2023-12-0…

They publish but don't share. Who cares about your cool tech if we can't experience it ourselves? I don't care about your blog writeup or research paper.

Google is locked behind research bubbles, legal reviews and safety checks.

Mean while OpenAI is eating their lunch.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by andrewprock »

dblitt wrote: post #252
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

> For the purposes of this demo, latency has been reduced and Gemini outputs have been shortened for brevity. Seems like this video was heavily editorialized, but still impressive.

The prompts were also likely different:

video: "Is this the right order?"

blog post: "Is this the right order? Consider the distance from the sun and explain your reasoning."

https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/12/how-its-made-gemin...

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by thefourthchime »

visarga wrote: post #446
dist-epoch wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> show instead of tell They showed AlphaGo, they showed Transformers. Pretty good track record.

That was ages ago. In AI even a week feels like a whole year in other fields. And many/most of those researchers have fled to startups, so those startups also have a right to brag. But not too much - only immediate access to a model beating GPT4 is worth bragging today (cloud), or getting GPT3.5 quality from a model running on a phone (edge). So it's either free-private-gpt3.5 or cloud-better-than-gpt4v. Nothing else…

The Transformer paper “Attention is All You Need” came out in 2017. Sundar got the CEO job two years earlier, so he was in CEO diapers at the time if you will.

I would argue Google has done almost nothing interesting since then (at least not things they haven't killed)

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by u320 »

globular-toast wrote: post #370
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

It seems weird to me. He asked it to describe what it sees, why does it randomly start spouting irrelevant facts about ducks? And is it trying to be funny when it's surprised about the blue duck? Does it know it's trying to be funny or does it really think it's a duck? I can't say I'm really looking forward to a future where learning information means interacting with a book-smart 8 year old.

Yeah it's weird why they picked this as a demo. The model could not identify an everyday item like a rubber duck? And it doesn't understand Archimedes' principle, instead reasoning about the density of rubber?

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by jug »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #340

Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…

I think it’s so strange how Pro wasn’t launched for Bard in Europe yet. I thought Bard was already cleared for EU use following their lengthy delay, and that this clearance wouldn’t be a recurring issue to overcome for each new underlying language model. Unless it’s technically hard to NOT train it on your data or whatever. Weird.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by ac1spkrbox »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true King”

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by dragonwriter »

ugh123 wrote: post #576
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

> One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) Sundar has been saying this repeatedly since Day 0 of the current AI wave. It's almost cliche for him at this point.

And he's going to keep saying it to tell investors why they should believe Google will eventually catch up in product until Google does catch up in product and he doesn't need to say it anymore.

Or until Google gives up on the space, or he isn't CEO, if either of those come first, which I wouldn't rule out.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by kernal »

thefourthchime wrote: post #572
bogwog wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly Reminds me of the Stadia reveal, where the first words out of his mouth were along the lines of "I'll admit, I'm not much of a gamer" This dude needs a new speech writer.

Dude needs a new job. He's been the Steve Balmer of Google, ruining what made them great and running the company into the ground.

I'd ask Gemini to find his replacement.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by JCharante »

johnfn wrote: post #444

Very impressive! I noticed two really notable things right off the bat: 1. I asked it a question about a feature that TypeScript doesn't have[1]. GPT4 usually does not recognize that it's impossible (I've tried asking it a bunch of times, it gets it right with like 50% probability) and hallucinates an answer. Gemini correctly says that it's impossible. The impressive thing was that it then linked to the open GitHub i…

> I've never seen GPT4 produce a link, other than when it's in web-browsing mode, which I find to be slower and less accurate.

Really? I've been using gpt4 since about April and it used to very often create links for me. I'll tell it hey I want to find a company that does X in Y city and it generates 5 links for me, and at least one of them is usually real and not hallucinated

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by freetanga »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #452
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

While you are spot on, I cannot avoid thinking of 1996 or so.

On one corner: IBM Deep Blue winning vs Kasparov. A world class giant with huge research experience.

On the other corner, Google, a feisty newcomer, 2 years in their life, leveraging the tech to actually make something practical.

Is Google the new IBM?

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