It’s strange that Vision Pro suddenly no longer has the current chip. (But it’s possible that they announced it with the M2 and started working on putting in the M3 as soon as it became available internally.)
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Not just that, but if you're not running ARM images then it's running a VM for your docker images to boot. It's just mind-blowing how many containers I have running and my laptop is cool to the touch, and at full battery.
You’re running a VM either way on a Mac. Docker without a VM is only available on Linux. EDIT I get your intent though because it runs better when the images match the host.
And on Windows while running Windows containers.
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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.
I'm one of them. For work, come and grab my 2019 16in from my cold dead hands - it may not have the battery lifetime of my private 2022 M2 MBA, but at least I don't have to fight weird issues with x86 Docker images (especially anything involving a JDK runtime, i.e. Tomcat, tends to act up). And no, converting these images to ARM isn't an option, the source image doesn't come from us, and we need to reproduce the exac…
I have 1 of these for work and 1 for home. I'm waiting 5 years from release, so about 2024-2025. Computers got really good around 2017, and the only reason to upgrade is the heat and fan. I use remote VMs anyways, so chrome is really my limiter.
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I don't think you're going to find any M2s for half the price. They hold their value pretty solidly.
They won't if the M3 turns out to be a significant upgrade.
That’s honestly just not how Apple hardware resale value has ever worked. The new M3 hardware could double the performance of the previous generation and they would only drop in price by maybe a few hundred.
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Intel straggler here. My laptop just completed 5 years. It says battery needs replacing which I’ve been putting off for a year. The thing is I have 32G which is quite good IMO so I’ll probably use it for two years at least.
You're just hurting yourself. Even the M1 Pro is like 3x faster than that Intel laptop. Plus so many tiny things like sleep/wake, power management, heat.. I really can't stress enough what a tectonic change the M1 was over Intel.
It really, really was. I’d been used to barely-noticeable performance gains for a decade or more. The responsiveness under load of the M1s made them feel like a decade of performance improvements overnight.
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#586It’s kind of strange their benchmark for “Machine Learning Programmers” is “Simulation of Dynamical Systems in MATLAB.” Seems like they could have capitalized better by using a generative ai inference benchmark.
iPhone 15 Pro NPU can do 35 TOPS. M3 can only do 18 TOPS. That's why they didn't focus on ML in the video.
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Intel straggler here. My laptop just completed 5 years. It says battery needs replacing which I’ve been putting off for a year. The thing is I have 32G which is quite good IMO so I’ll probably use it for two years at least.
You're just hurting yourself. Even the M1 Pro is like 3x faster than that Intel laptop. Plus so many tiny things like sleep/wake, power management, heat.. I really can't stress enough what a tectonic change the M1 was over Intel.
Depends on what they're doing with the machine. For casual use, Intel is perfectly fine and you do get some x86 benefits too. I have M1 Pro for work, personal M2 mac mini and typing this on 16" Intel MBP, watched the presentation live and still not convinced I need to upgrade my casual browsing and light programing machine this year. Battery is at 500 cycles and 84% health, still lasts 4 hours.
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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.
I'm one of them. For work, come and grab my 2019 16in from my cold dead hands - it may not have the battery lifetime of my private 2022 M2 MBA, but at least I don't have to fight weird issues with x86 Docker images (especially anything involving a JDK runtime, i.e. Tomcat, tends to act up). And no, converting these images to ARM isn't an option, the source image doesn't come from us, and we need to reproduce the exac…
2019 16"cher here too. These are great machines just eclipsed by all the Apple silicon hype. Yes they suck comparing to performance, power use and heat to Apple silicon, they're still amazing x86 laptops compared to whatever other x86 machines are out there.
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Name the more advanced chip then... Intel and AMD fall short.
Wouldn't make more sense for Apple to define and backup what they mean as the most advanced? Also, Apple's products never hold up to the specs they quote in their marketing material any way. I'm not sure why you are taking their own post as fact, when Apple is one of the most blatant over marketing companies around. And even if it was true, it doesn't matter because Apple is obsessed with placing their chips in the m…
Apple routinely sandbags their performance in marketing slides. The actual performance is usually 1-2% better actually. Probably because they're the most visible company in the world and don't want to get sued.
AMD/Intel meanwhile will cherry pick benchmarks and way overpromise.