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California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by l33t7332273 »

IKantRead wrote: post #570
Waterluvian wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these autonomous vehicles so littered throughout California that you run into them weekly? I realize I don’t have a real concrete sense of just how many of these there are. Like is this a whole thing already? Edit: thanks for the responses…. Good gravy…

SF today is as close to Blade Runner that we'll ever get. Every billboard is for some AI company, you ride in a driverless cab across a literal mile of homeless people drugged out of their minds, screaming and pooping on the sidewalk. SF today is so aggressively dystopian that it's sort of hard not to enjoy the experience.

I think this comment is slightly exaggerated. I didn’t see that many ads for AI companies and while I did see some driverless vehicles, they were in the minority and I only saw them on my second full day exploring the city.

There are a large number of homeless people openly doing drugs, and there is some poop, but I find these descriptions to be generally inaccurate.

Don’t get me wrong, the situation is bad, but based on descriptions like this I was expecting far far worse.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

foota wrote: post #445
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #34

As a pedestrian I'm not a fan of being an unwitting part of a private company's beta testing. Before this devolves into whatboutism vs the safety of human drivers, my opposition is to adding yet another unknown safety layer to walking down the street. Usually when private companies are developing products that could kill, drugs for example, it is on the company to exhaustively prove the safety and effectiveness befor…

How do you propose they do so?

That's a question for regulators. What AV companies are doing is akin to human trials in pedestrian safety without consent. This wouldn't fly in another industry like pharmaceuticals.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by oldgradstudent »

ralferoo wrote: post #112
wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

Reading this, it rather seems like the AV wasn't at fault in the accident itself and handled itself well. However, after coming to a complete stop, while the pedestrian was still on the ground in front of it, it then started again and drove into the pedestrian and continued for another 20 feet pushing the pedestrian along (and presumably under) the car. They say it did this to leave the car in a safe place, but this…

> Reading this, it rather seems like the AV wasn't at fault in the accident itself and handled itself well.

Probably because you're reading their press release. Their previous press release was even more convincing - they somehow forgot to mention the part about draggin the pedestrian at the time.

Here they somehow forget to mention the car has already accellerated to 18mph while a pedestrian was still crossing the road.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by robertlagrant »

stouset wrote: post #577
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #385

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If the bus had dynamic routing, so it could show up where I am when I’m ready, and take me where I want to go, I’d be a huge fan. I don’t mean this ironically! I think dynamically dispatched, self-driving buses and vans will eventually save public transit. They’ll enable a much higher quality of service than current bus systems. Which drive around mostly-empty stopping every few blocks so it takes forever to get anyw…

I am not aware of a single city across the world that has such a thing, and yet public transit remains incredibly useful and functional in places not-the-US. An enormous part of Europe, for example, even in towns and cities with far less density than those here. Can we pretty please stop acting like this is a complete enigma that nobody else has managed to figure out?

Hello from Oxford, UK, where we have the Pick Me Up[0] bus! Far more useful than standard buses, unless you live near a bus stop and need a hub and spoke journey into/out of the centre.

[0] https://www.whatsoninoxford.net/pickmeup

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by throwaway5959 »

paxys wrote: post #58
throwaway5959 wrote: post #5

And yet TSLA is allowed to have “Full Self Driving” on the road in hundreds of thousands of cars as a “beta”.

The people behind the wheel of the Tesla are taking full responsibility for the car's actions, whether they know it or not. No such driver exists in Cruise's case.

I don’t care who’s “responsible” if it means people are getting into preventable accidents.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by oldgradstudent »

LegitShady wrote: post #128
wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

>A Cruise AV named Panini This sort of nonsense where you take a serious statement and tell me the cutesy "name" of the autonomous vehicle really detracts from the seriousness of the issue. Also, the last paragraph where they try to talk about how their vehicle wouldn't have made the same mistake as the human driver, glosses over the actual issues the cruise car had which a human driver would have known not to do.

That's a press release.

Why is anyone paying attention to it?

In their original press release they didn't even mention dragging the pedestrian. Here they've only mentioned it because they were caught red handed by the DMV.

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Post by jackson1442 »

jowday wrote: post #196
labrador wrote: post #163

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I have a friend who interviewed at Waymo to be a safety driver. He told me they have a human at command central monitoring the car and the safety driver, talking back and forth. I see no reason why they would remove the human monitor after no longer using safety drivers. For liability reasons at least. My point is I'm not sure Waymo cars can actually be considered self- driving since they have a remote human standing…

Any actually-deployed driverless car has the same setup with remote operators - Cruise, Waymo, Zoox (if they've managed to deploy yet).

I've seen Zoox cars around Seattle recently while walking around. Can't tell if there's a safety driver in the car, but haven't looked that hard.

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Post by yterdy »

mike_d wrote: post #540
pbarnes_1 wrote: post #515

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I saw a Waymo come to a screeching halt in a split second as a... less than intelligent individual... skateboarded in front of a bus, into the extremely busy road . If it was a human that person would have been dead, no question. Sometimes I'm riding in a Waymo (which I do every single day, 4x) and it does something, and I double take. Then a second later I see whatever it was it reacted to, and I'm like "dang, why d…

Waymo is amazing, knowing some of the stuff they do behind the scenes to ensure safety - I would feel safer riding in a Waymo than driving myself. My biggest fear has always been that Cruise or Tesla would shit the bed so bad we don't get any self-driving, either because of regulatory constraints or ruining the public perception of them.

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by londons_explore »

choppaface wrote: post #354
fhub wrote: post #277

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From my perspective, as a relatively early adopter of Waymo (60+ rides). I have zero gripes with the driving itself. In fact I've seen Waymos do things that no human would be able to do*. Drop-offs and pickups I'd like to see improvements made like getting a bit closer to the curb. Occasionally the route selections make no sense at all. * Waymo made a right turn up a steep hill. Two lanes each way. It then pulled a b…

I’ve been nearly hit by a Waymo as a pedestrian when the thing could see me well before it passed. I hate that they use giant SUVs, really inappropriate car for small city streets even if people love SUVs.

If this ever happens to you or anyone else here, drop them a message with the date/time/place that it happened, and they will watch the footage and probably adjust stuff to not be scary in the future. Without human feedback, it's really hard to program a machine to understand "scary", even if the machine has calculated that it won't hit you.

https://waymo.com/contact/ is the place to go.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by gmassman »

fhub wrote: post #569
unshavedyak wrote: post #546

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I can't wait till those are generally available. I'd go out more if i could have a nice night and not have to deal with coming home later. Hell i live about 1.5h from Seattle and i never go because it's just awful (to me) dealing with cars there. If i could get a cab all the way there and back? Oh man, amazing. Or even park and ride would be nice. Cities seem so much more approachable to me if i don't need to drive t…

The current ride pricing feels about 10-20% less than an Uber in SF - but I haven't really checked properly. So don't expect the rideshare product (Waymo One) to be a super cheap option.

This morning my coworkers rode in together in a Waymo. One told me it was $16 while an Uber would have been $35.
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