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macOS Sonoma is available today

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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by gumby »

tacker2000 wrote: post #497
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a very bad impression. Also, if you are not going along in the upgrade rabbit race, homebrew gets really annoying and actually in your way at some point. I see myself moving to macports soon, if brew gets worse and the stability of my setup is compromised (lots o…

Please return homebrew for a full refund.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by marcinzm »

tacker2000 wrote: post #497
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a very bad impression. Also, if you are not going along in the upgrade rabbit race, homebrew gets really annoying and actually in your way at some point. I see myself moving to macports soon, if brew gets worse and the stability of my setup is compromised (lots o…

The alternative is orders of magnitude more work for them as they need to maintain old versions of packages and old versions of operating systems.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by neovive »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

Maybe Apple should consider dev editions for MacOS that allows more customization during setup. MacOS is still heavily used by web and mobile developers, so I'm sure this would be received well.

I do end up removing many of the Apple apps, but recently started using Safari, Notes, and Reminders more. Apple does an excellent job making their apps work seamlessly within the Apple ecosystem.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by kalleboo »

tacker2000 wrote: post #570
andy_ppp wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always expect endless support from free products, built by the community, that I'm not paying for or contributing to.

Of course the devs dont need to support everyone and answer every feature request. Its more nuanced than that. As a dev, i like a stable environment and i dont like to do big updates all the time, since that means i have to spend hours updating my setup again. Everytime i run brew im scared it will hose my PHP versions, etc, since it auto updates everything. To install old PHP versions one needs to hack the install f…

I'm glad we have both Homebrew as well as MacPorts. It's like having options to choose a bleeding-edge or stable distro. I prefer the former (as a dev, who often wants to use reasonably new features and libraries - and honestly despite keeping up in versions I can count the breakage to my workflow in the past decade on one hand, at least I'm not a JavaScript developer) but I totally respect the latter as well, so I'm glad we can each have what we need.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jt2190 »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #566
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Out of date OS doesn’t receive support. I for one, am shocked. Maintainers of popular free, open source community tool are tired of being asked to support out of date OS. Colour me even more surprised!

I assume that the message means that Homebrew is incorrectly identifying the installation of MacOS Sonoma as “out of date”, and that means updating Hombbrew is a side-effect of updating the OS.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by klausbert »

aeyes wrote: post #288
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

I agree with you. Apple Music is particularly annoying. I recommend this free little utility: https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by aeyes »

wlk wrote: post #573
dmt0 wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You absolutely need this: https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes

Alternatively run: launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.rcd.plist

I tried it but unfortunately it also disables media control (pause/skip) from the keyboard in other applications.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dewey »

pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

That's why they switched to focus on Enterprise customers a while ago. It's all about being a secret store for Kubernetes and other deployments now. I doubt they lose a lot of sleep over personal licenses and the loud group of people complaining about the non-native macOS UI (Including myself there).
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