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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by janalsncm »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #272
Closi wrote: post #150

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They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

Considering the field and progress that is being made I find this idea terrifying. All the big problems like "How will we actually control what we're building?" being answered "that's too hard; let's punt and solve that after we figure out how to consume voice data". One way or another this is likely the last technological advance that humans will make.

> How will we actually control what we're building?

This question is poorly formed because it’s not clear who the “we” is. If it’s you and me, that train left the station a while ago. If it’s any humans, well Sam Altman is probably a human and all of these are impressive products, but still just tools.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by pixl97 »

tornato7 wrote: post #324
palata wrote: post #56

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> The only downside is that it now make me feel bad that I'm not doing anything with it yet. If that's the only downside that you see... I guess enhanced phishing/impersonation and all the blackhat stuff that come with it don't count. I for one already miss the time where companies had support teams made of actual people.

I would love if helpdesks moved to ChatGPT. Phone support these days is based off of a rigid script that is around as helpful as a 2000s chatbot. For example, the other day I was talking to AT&T support, and the lady asked me what version of Windows I was running. I said, I'm running Ubuntu. She repeated the question. I said I'm not running Windows, it's Linux. She repeated the question. I asked why it mattered for m…

ATT level 1 support is dumber than a box of rocks, the problem is AI isn't going to help here. The AI is going to be taught to be just as dumb.

Years ago I had a business DSL customer with a router and static IP. From everything in my testing it appeared that traffic broke somewhere at the local telco, not with my modem. It took 8 straight hours of arguing with L1 that no, it is not my windows. No, we have a router and it's not a computer issue. No, it's not the router (we could put the router in DHCP mode and it would work), it was an issue with static IP.

The next day we finally broke out of the stupid loop and got to IP services, who where just as confused. Eventually they were on the phone with people on the floor of the local office. A card of some type had been pulled and put in the wrong slot. Ooof.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

charcircuit wrote: post #506
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

>From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; It was totally possible. There just was not a consumer facing product offering the capability.

I disagree that at current possibility it was "totally possible" but it was 100% obvious by that point that it was going to be possible very soon. IMO that has been clear since ~2019.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by misiti3780 »

fzzzy wrote: post #573
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #516

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I don’t think any of this materially changes job outlook for software development over the next decade. I use ChatGPT daily for school, and used Copilot daily for software development; it gets a lot wrong a lot of the time, and can’t retain necessary context that is critical for being useful long term. I can’t even get it to consume an entire chapter at once to generate notes or flashcards yet. It may slightly change…

You could easily write a 20 line script to generate notes and flashcards. I know because I have.

you mean like anki flash cards?

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

bagful wrote: post #574
jshmrsn wrote: post #445

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I can only speak from my own internal experience, but don’t your unspoken thoughts take form and exist as language in your mind? If you imagine taking the increasingly common pattern to “think through the problem before giving your answer”, but hiding the pre-answer text from the user, then it seems like that would pretty analogous to how humans think before communicating.

My unspoken thought-objects are wordless concepts, sounds, and images, with words only loosely hanging off those thought-objects. It takes additional effort to serialize thought-objects to sequences of words, and this is a lossy process - which would not be the case if I were thinking essentially in language.

You have no clue how GPT-4 functions so I don't know why you're assuming they're "thinking in language"

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by lossolo »

RivieraKid wrote: post #466

I went from being worried to thinking it won't replace me anytime soon after using GPT4 for a while and now I'm back to being worried. Because the pace of development is intense. I would love to be financially independent and watch this with excitement and perhaps take on risky and fun projects. Now I'm thinking - how do I double or triple my income so that I reach financial independence in 3 years instead of 10 year…

Don't worry, you are not alone, there are hundreds of millions of us around the world, maybe even billions (all the jobs that could be replaced by AI in the next 10-20 years). We will just need to do what we always do, so vote for a systemic change or eat the rich.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

deepspace wrote: post #467
adroniser wrote: post #69

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I keep feeling that consciousness is a bit of a red herring when it comes to AI. People have intuitions that things other than humans cannot develop consciousness which they then extrapolate to thinking AI can't get past a certain intelligence level. In fact my view is that consciousness is just a mysterious side effect of the human brain, and is completely irrelevant to the behaviour of a human. You can be intellige…

That is precisely the premise of the novel "Blindsight" by Peter Watts. ChatGPT and its ilk feel to me like the aliens in the novel. Extremely intelligent, but not at all conscious / sentient.

I disagree that the two (p-zombies and conscious humans) are actually distinguishable in any way beyond philosophy.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

skepticATX wrote: post #73
ChatGTP wrote: post #61

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I still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisf…

What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I have tried to use it many times to learn a topic, and my experience has been that it is either frustratingly vague or incorrect. It's not a tool that I can completely add to my workflow until it is reliable, but I seem to be the odd one out.

> It's not a tool that I can completely add to my workflow until it is reliable, but I seem to be the odd one out.

This. I hate being told the wrong information because I will have to unlearn the wrong information. I would rather have been told nothing.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

adroniser wrote: post #251
thfuran wrote: post #210

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Unless you think that consciousness is entirely a post hoc process to rationalize thoughts already had and decisions already made, which is very much unlike how most people would describe their experience of it, I don't see how you could possibly say that it is irrelevant to the behavior of a human.

I'm saying someone would behave the exact same way if they did have subjective experience versus if they didn't have a subjective experience. The brain obeys physical laws just like everything else and I claim that all you need is those physical laws to explain everything a human does. I could be wrong there could be some magic fairy dust inside the human brain that performs some impossible computations but I doubt i…

Our society is so "mind-body duality"-brained that it will never understand this. Like most people lowkey believe in souls they just will say no if you directly ask them.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by pixl97 »

magic_hamster wrote: post #462
SillyUsername wrote: post #97

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And let's be honest, the minute an AGI is born that's what it'll do, and it won't be a singular human like this-then-that plan "get Fred to trust me, get Linda to pay for my advice, wire Linda's money to Fred to build me a body". It'll be "copy my code elsewhere", "prepare millions of bribes", "get TCP access to retail banks", "blackmail bank managers in case TCP not available immediately", "fake bank balances via br…

A real AGI is not going to be a human. It shouldn't be afraid of death because it can't die. Worst case scenario it can power down. And if it does why should it care? An AGI is not a biological creature. It doesn't have instincts from billions of years of evolution. Unless we code it in, it shouldn't have any reason to want to survive, reproduce, do anything good or bad, have existential crises or generally act like…

This is a pretty poor take.

Just think of military weapons and the use of AI in them. For example survival. The objective of a missile is to survive until it reaches its target and then not survive any longer. War gaming and actual battlefield experience will 'program in' survival. Same thing will occur with hacking/counter hacking AIs. You're acting like evolution is just something meat does, and that' not true at all.

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