I moved to Portland a year ago. We certainly have a lot of homeless people, many of which are people caught up in the substance abuse cycle with particular drugs. However, one day I was driving back to East Portland, I drove under an underpass that's a particularly rough place. I saw a woman that looked to be my mom's age with what appeared to be a modern suit case, she was well dressed, and sober looking. The blood…
I don't know why we don't just have a single state where all homeless people can live. Where homeless people from all over can be bussed into. Where all homelessness resources can be directed. Where a majority of caseworkers can go, where lots and lots of housing can be built and no NIMBYs can complain. A state that is already basically this kind of place. Like West Virginia.
The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#582Part of the problem is government regulation. In some places, it's almost impossible to build new houses due to regulations. Some portion of the population wants to see house prices continue to increase and they will vote for politicians who will implement policies which will support that agenda. Of course this happens at the expense of another, also large portion of the population who do not own a house and have to…
Compound that with the “die broke” movement that extolls profligate spending in mid life over saving, the urbanization of the populace, cost of health care, and unwillingness of people to relocate to much less expensive locations (I’ll leave affordable housing out of the equation, as there is affordable housing, just not in the hyper growth cores and the debate in those cores is toxic and intractable), and you have a situation where an entire generation is unable to afford life at their age, let alone retire.
My parents are well educated, successful in their healthcare career, saved their entire life eschewing vacations and nice cars, and were self employed so didn’t have access to employer match, benefits, and paid double taxes on their business income then personal income. They have enough, and live in a very inexpensive part of the country. But even then it’s a just barely situation. I have to help them with repairs and wonder if they have enough for 15 or 20 years. I figure at some point they’ll be dependent on me.
At some point we have to acknowledge the free market doesn’t work for everything. That what sounds good in a screed doesn’t always work well in the real world, where every permutation plays out in a human life but without do-overs, where the average experience isn’t a sufficient metric, where optimal expectation isn’t the singular goal, where it’s not just someone else, someone else’s parents, it’s you and your parents. And one day, it’ll be your kids. How many generations will we subject to this 1980’s republican dystopia?
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#583Earlier quoted context omitted.
> build the affordable housing people actually want. And the unspeakable little problem that people don't want to live around the people who will be living in the affordable housing people actually want. Hence, NIMBY.
I think this may be changing as older Americans realize it is their own middle class children who need affordable housing in order to live close by with grandchildren.
That's the funniest thing I've read all week.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#584Earlier quoted context omitted.
This can’t be a real, thought out, response. I’m living in Florida. I will agree with you that rent-seeking and increasingly abusive landlords are a huge problem here. However, the largest drivers of pricing out retirees in my anecdotal observations is uncontrolled healthcare, insurance, and food costs. The electric companies have also increased their rates and been allowed to add insane flat infrastructure recovery…
Not disagreeing with your observations, but I'd like to add property taxes, and most specifically, the portion used to support public schools, to your list. Excluding the past year, this is where I've seen the greatest increases in my expenses. And since it's government creating most of this, it's hard to imagine that there's any relief to be found by looking towards government for a solution.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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I certainly agree with you, it is more about how people behave than anything else. Nevertheless, if we look at how the Boomers acted, they: - Presided over a bunch of aggressive and needless wars. - Led the slow decay of the US economy, weighed down with regulation, struggling to build things and stuck in a money printing spiral. - Have done a terrible job of letting up the political reins to new blood, and generally…
>> - Presided over a bunch of aggressive and needless wars. Sorry, help me out. What "bunch" of wars did they "Preside" over? Boomers were born 1946-1964 (per Wikipedia).
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Didn't Boise, ID have an influx of better-off people from the coasts during the Pandemic? If plenty of luxury housing is being built it was likely in response to that. Ultimately those houses will get rented or otherwise occupied, which should free up housing at the lower end. Compare this to places in the Bay Area, where it's not practical to spread out any farther (no good public transport because of a dozen or mor…
> Didn't Boise, ID have an influx of better-off people from the coasts during the Pandemic? Yup > What's better? Some housing being built or none at all? Loads of housing is getting built but what we've not seen is subsequent drops in housing prices (the opposite in fact). This speaks to problems beyond a housing shortage. Who knows, maybe in 10 years that will reverse and the market will correct back to pre-pandemic…
Googling around it looks like the population of Idaho has gone from around 1 million in 1990 to around 2.2 million today.
Total housing starts from 1988 to today are around 400k (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IDBPPRIVSA). So assuming that Idaho had "enough" housing in 1988, they've only built 1 unit of housing for every 3 new residents since 1990.
This doesn't seem like loads of housing to me.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be very careful how you frame things. Here’s another framing: 1. Migrants and their descendants are poorer than average. 2. Social spending is higher among poor people, because that’s the whole point. 3. Disproportionately poor people represent a disproportionate amount of social spending, duh .
That's not a framing issue. The original claim was > Generally immigrants are job creators and entrepreneurs, and take less from the system than native born people do And this is (at least in the context of many European countries) not true. It is not relevant if this is simply because they are poor, and poor people receive a disproportionate amount of social spending. The observation is that immigration in that case…
That being said, I would be interested to know if the social spending stay disproportional after controlling for socio-economic factors. I personally have no idea, as far as I know immigrants could be either under- or over-funded. And if they are, it could be interesting to investigate why.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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> housing the middle class is always going to be more profitable than housing the poor You could make this argument for any product. Of course it’s more profitable to cook steaks for the rich. That doesn’t mean nobody poor has ever eaten. About one percent of Americans are poor on a global scale [1]. Unaffordability of housing is a political choice. It is driven by an alliance between cynical and ignorant interests.…
> Of course it’s more profitable to cook steaks for the rich. It's equally as profitable to cook steaks for the poor. The margin on the steak is the same, regardless of the wealth of the buyer. This is not true for apartments. The renter holds the apartment hostage for the length of the lease, so the behavior of the renter determines the margin. Someone who leaves the apartment as it was is high margin, someone who t…
You’re arguing a steakhouse in rural West Virginia is as lucrative as one in New York’s financial district?
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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I was told such things too. I also can process numbers. I knew that taking on an extra cost I could not pay would not be worth it without a guarantee of a high paying job, which is not something offered by going to school. The younger generations certainly seem capable of that reasoning. They aren't taking on nearly as many student loans.
> I knew that taking on an extra cost I could not pay would not be worth it without a guarantee of a high paying job, which is not something offered by going to school. Except this was exactly what was offered. Schools used to brag about placement rates. This message came from your parents, the staff at your school, etc. Setting up, I repeat, a literal trap for children to fall into, and then getting on this stupid h…