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Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by luriel »

kingmanaz wrote: post #268
reginaldo wrote: post #77

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I feel likewise (except for the Perl part. I have the most fun working with PLT-Racket tools). I believe this happens because language design involves a lot of trade-offs, so every language incorporates these trade-offs. When one is comfortable in many kinds of languages, one is in a special position to see the trade-offs in the design of the language one is currently programming it. The way I see it is slightly diff…

Tradeoffs are a sign of a false dilemma; rather than choosing one solution or another, use them all where they work best. This is where Unix got it right all those years ago; Unix isn't just a slightly more stable platform for running today's bloated and monolithic software, rather, it's an elegant system for connecting maintainably-small utilities. The shell glues said utilities together into programs. Such an appro…

You make a very good point.

And I think it is no coincidence that the creator of Unix is one of the designers of Go, a language that shares Unix's conceptual and implementation simplicity, makes very conscious tradeoffs and where channels work somewhat akin to pipes.

Of course interfacing with the rest of the world has become much harder thanks to XML, SOAP, XMPP and every other such monster, but as somebody else pointed out, the modern equivalent seems to be REST+JSON, I would have preferred something like 9P, but oh well, one has to pick their battles.

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by larsberg »

silverlake wrote: post #545
larsberg wrote: post #204

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Thanks! Yes, the overloading issue requires changes to both the parsing rules and some fairly tricky formal semantics changes as well. I've talked with Dave MacQueen about it in the past, and it didn't sound like something he was terribly averse to, just that it would take a long time to really get _right_. And then it places a burden on the SML implementations, though at this point that's really SML/NJ, MLton, and p…

Which finance companies are using ML languages?

Apart from the obvious Jane Street example, quite a few. F# is used pretty widely at this point in the Chicago area. Many of the larger banks either have their own private dialect of ML or a strict, ML-like subset of Haskell (Standard Chartered).

But for most it's not their primary language; those roles are usually still filled by C on the server and some GUI-friendly language for the trader apps. It's mainly used less latency-sensitive work that is more financial modeling in nature.

Sorry for being vague with names; other than Jane Street and Standard Chartered, most of them will only talk about it confidentiality. Many take secrecy to the point of lunacy.

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by yoklov »

FrojoS wrote: post #506
neovive wrote: post #489

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Unity3d ships with Mono/C# and MonoDevelop as one of the programming language options for its game engine. I haven't used it as much, since I prefer the Javascript version, but most (if not all) high-end game developers opt for scripting in C#.

I'd be curious to hear, why. I will be working on a Unity3D project and the team wants me to use C# with VS. As a Mac user and Open Source fan, I didn't jump at the idea. Glad to hear, that a lot of people think C# is a good choice. I'm excited to learn it! Any suggestions for a good book or website? I've been programming in C and C++ quite a bit, but its been a few years. I've only been doing functional programming…

I know nothing about developing Unity/C#, however, I know VS runs quite well under VMWare Fusion on a MacBook Air (with 4GB of ram).

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by hepek »

asjo wrote: post #492

Here is a plot of the votes (updated hourly): * http://koldfront.dk/misc/hn/wyfpl/data.png

Did you keep track of the changes? I see relative changes in votes every time I check. It would be really cool to see how things went. You could also infer a geographical distribution of voters, as this poll goes through time zones :)

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by k_bx »

Too wrote: post #474
middayc wrote: post #430

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if your IDE writes 30-40% of code for you it just means your language needs at least 30-40% more code than it should to cleanly describe the algorihtm. (not dissing C# here, just all IDE-aised languages)

If my IDE writes 40% of my code it means i can call my functions ConnectToDatabaseCheckUserNameAndCountPosts() instead of ConDBusrCnt() just to save a few taps on the keyboard.

ConnectToDatabaseCheckUserNameAndCountPosts() should be 3 functions, not one.

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by petepete »

krallja wrote: post #564
petepete wrote: post #468

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The beauty of Ruby and Python is that you aren't restricted to an IDE in order to use them; I wouldn't enjoy using them if I was. I like to choose my own tools. This isn't quite so easy when using an all-encompassing (and platform specific) IDE like Visual Studio. I use tmux (with tmuxinator), with windows for my editor, shell, debugger, source control, logs. I'm able to, effortlessly, change any part of it.

I'm not sure what this means. Are you saying it is impossible to write C# code without the IDE? If so, my .vimrc would like to have a few words with you.

You can write code in vim, yes. Do you debug it there too? Didn't think so. You use a separate debugging tool (or clewn, if you're a masochist). And a separate source control client (possibly wrapped in a vim plugin like fugitive). And a shell.

Effectively you (like me) have probably put together your own set of tools that perform the functions of a IDE.

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by untog »

thinkdevcode wrote: post #199
MartinCron wrote: post #56

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But it's tied into MS's heavy stack for web stuff (ASP.NET, etc.) For what it's worth, ASP.NET MVC is much, much less heavy than the original ASP.NET (if that's what you're referring to). This is especially the case if you use the Razor syntax for your views.

> For what it's worth, ASP.NET MVC is much, much less heavy than the original ASP.NET And thats if you even use that... I use 2 open source libraries to build web apps - Nancy & Simple.Data - and they are both f'in amazing. This is about as "light" as you can be. I have a prezi presentation on my blog about using these libraries to build web apps for a few talks I gave at code conf's. (thinkdevcode.com)

Love seeing shout-outs to Simple.Data- I know the author. Great guy, awesome library.

Re: Poll: What's Your Favorite Programming Language?

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Post by untog »

thinkdevcode wrote: post #199
MartinCron wrote: post #56

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But it's tied into MS's heavy stack for web stuff (ASP.NET, etc.) For what it's worth, ASP.NET MVC is much, much less heavy than the original ASP.NET (if that's what you're referring to). This is especially the case if you use the Razor syntax for your views.

> For what it's worth, ASP.NET MVC is much, much less heavy than the original ASP.NET And thats if you even use that... I use 2 open source libraries to build web apps - Nancy & Simple.Data - and they are both f'in amazing. This is about as "light" as you can be. I have a prezi presentation on my blog about using these libraries to build web apps for a few talks I gave at code conf's. (thinkdevcode.com)

Love seeing shout-outs to Simple.Data- I know the author. Great guy, awesome library.
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