TikTok is now banned in Montana • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by shrimp_emoji » Mon, May 22, 2023, 1:33 PM UTC

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #497

kranke155 wrote: post #466

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Massive data collection being funnelled directly to the benefit of an adversarial totalitarian state. Often coordinating to target intelligence and political targets. It’s a technological wing for a totalitarian intelligence department. That’s what it is. It also has social media functions, but it also has an intelligence function. If you think “well the US does it too” well I invite you to move to Shanghai and live…

> move to Shanghai and live the rest of your days there and tell me you feel just as free as in New York City. In what ways would your freedom be impacted in Shangai vs NYC? Because I know or a fact I'd able to live a normal life in Shangai. Work, grow kids, go out and enjoy entertainment, have good healthcare and so on. Is it the ability to vote your president that makes or break "freedom" for you? Well apparently ~…

What a doomer outlook. Living in one of the best places run by a brutal, genocidal autocracy isn't so bad you guys (assuming you're in the ingroup, stay in line, ignore meatfisted policy implications, etc.)!

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by scarface_74 » Mon, May 22, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

404mm wrote: post #489

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How does not having the app prevent geolocation? If you don’t give the app permission, all they get is you IP address. They would get the same information on the web. Also, a web page can request your GPS permission just like an app can.

I’m willing to bet that majority people just approve all the permissions an app asks for. Yes, web page can request your GPS as well, that is true. But a webpage won’t be doing it while the user is not actively using the page. Also remember when Apple introduced origination about reading users’ clipboard and TikTok was one of the first ones that got caught red handed? I’m not iOS developer but I would not be surprise…

And ios you have to not only explicitly give permission to your location, you also have to give it permission to allow an app to use your permission in the background.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by therealcamino » Tue, May 23, 2023, 12:53 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #534

therealcamino wrote: post #530

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Somehow I'm skeptical of your scenario where teenagers flock to government-sponsored social media.

It's not "government sponsored" as in Official Propaganda Arm of the United States, but rather "government sponsored" as in every other thing in your life, such as water, electricity, telecommunications, roads, policing, healthcare, ...

That doesn't change a thing -- it's not in keeping with the ordinary practices of the US, nobody wants it, and it's almost guaranteed to fail.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by DirkH » Tue, May 23, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #533

DirkH wrote: post #513

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Your argument rests heavily on "teens WILL overwhelmingly become VPN experts" I don't understand why it can't instead be: banning will make domestic alternatives more attractive since now you don't even need a VPN to access it. Sure some teens will use a VPN and continue to use TikTok, but I'm not sure it'll be to such an extent that we'd be forced to concede that banning was the wrong call. Also you can do both: ban…

> Your argument rests heavily on "teens WILL overwhelmingly become VPN experts" My argument rests on "social media is sticky due to network effects". Which is why "banning will make domestic alternatives more attractive since now you don't even need a VPN to access it" if and only if the domestic alternatives are so good in comparison to figuring out VPN, that a critical mass of domestic users switch over. Ban alone…

OK, you've changed my mind and I've updated more towards "banning alone is likely to be net negative to our goals if we don't also subsidize alternatives"

I think given I don't use TikTok at all I am bad at intuiting how powerful its network stickiness is.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by pastacacioepepe » Thu, May 25, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #581

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #497

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> move to Shanghai and live the rest of your days there and tell me you feel just as free as in New York City. In what ways would your freedom be impacted in Shangai vs NYC? Because I know or a fact I'd able to live a normal life in Shangai. Work, grow kids, go out and enjoy entertainment, have good healthcare and so on. Is it the ability to vote your president that makes or break "freedom" for you? Well apparently ~…

What a doomer outlook. Living in one of the best places run by a brutal, genocidal autocracy isn't so bad you guys (assuming you're in the ingroup, stay in line, ignore meatfisted policy implications, etc.)!

Doomer? Hundreds of millions getting out of poverty in China is all the hope I need.

Being afforded the opportunity to choose between a bad and a worse government gives me no hope, and apparently many feel the same in the so-called liberal democracies.

Just check this graph[0] at page 27. Am I the doomer or are about 40% of the world voters feeling doomed?

> brutal, genocidal autocracy

Brutal how? Genocidal is false as the whole Uyghur genocide has been proven over and over to be bullshit.

> assuming you're in the ingroup, stay in line, ignore meatfisted policy implications

lol, try to be openly communist in the USA and see what happens to your career.

.0: https://www.idea.int/sites/default/files/publications/voter-...