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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by Tempest1981 »

alfor wrote: post #541
jascination wrote: post #333

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What's wrong with Edge? I started using it when Chrome started eating my RAM, it's been mostly unobtrusive and unnoticed, like a good browser should be.

I wanted to be the default browser, ok. It wanted to import all my info.. no thanks there was other nastyness I don’t remember. Then it showed me so much junk and crappy news on new page, it was pure propaganda. That was the end of it. I know it’s possible to configure all those things, but the starting experience was soo bad I got away quickly.

Right, I just wanted "new tab" to open about:blank -- doesn't seem possible. You get their news feed on every new tab.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by freejazz »

btilly wrote: post #578
freejazz wrote: post #469

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Ah yes, legitimizing people rioting in the US capitol because Twitter censors, when they aren't busy drinking bleach!

I will never understand people like you interpreting "this is a cause of that" as "legitimizing" that. It doesn't. I strongly oppose the riot, which is why I want people to take seriously the things that helped cause that. Similarly I'm not legitimizing gang violence when I say that the War on Drugs helps cause gang violence, I'm explaining why I oppose the War on Drugs.

It's legitimizing the notion that it's even a response to the thing you claim it is. I totally dispute that.

Let's look at the things the jan 6 rioters took grievances with: Mike Pence not overturning the election, nancy pelosi's existence, the federal court system which completely rebuked Trump's stolen election narrative, ALL of the media, the LIBERAL media, media in GENERAL, twitter, twitter moderation, george soros, jews, hunter biden, the crack he smoked, his penis, people who were verified on twitter, hollywood, jews, the thought that racism still exists...

if someone tells me the said they did something, and it's because of a ghost, and I accept their reasoning, then I am legitimizing the connection they allege. I dispute this connection. that's what I'm accusing you of legitimizing, their 'rationality'. they might call it rationality, but I don't have to. and maybe that's not what you meant, but I fairly took you to mean it, because you are apparently taking them at their word.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by freejazz »

czbond wrote: post #565
freejazz wrote: post #469

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Ah yes, legitimizing people rioting in the US capitol because Twitter censors, when they aren't busy drinking bleach!

@freejazz - I understand your point, but there is a similar counter example which I believe is powerful. The gay community made large strides as a movement to allow a civil discourse and transparent conversations with others who opposed their lifestyles by deciding to be open rather than secret. When people meet face to face, and realize we're all really similar - people tend to soften their views to be "human".

Who is stopping them? Twitter? Twitter isn't the public square - it's just a website. It's full of advertising money that twitter controls and takes. It might be LIKE a public square, but it's not the public square.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by nkozyra »

greyman wrote: post #397
Cardinal7167 wrote: post #141

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The great shake up has started. Google pissing their pants with AIs abrupt arrival, Twitter dying a death by a million cuts, Facebook in mid-air making their VR play, the tech skyline will look very different in 5 years.

But is twitter really dying? The fields I watch (AI, software engineering, writers), all thought leaders are still there, still posting regularly.

Anecdotally it seems so. Further anecdotal, but I think I've seen one ad that was from a company I recognized that wasn't weird dropshipping stuff in the last few months.

It definitely feels less active and the conversation largely dominated by small accounts that are paying the $8.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by rvz »

nemo44x wrote: post #412
Dalewyn wrote: post #345

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Over on Japanese Twitter, the sudden shift in the kinds of post getting recommended pre- and post- Musk layoffs were undeniable. No longer were political posts the recommendations, but rather cultural posts such as those concerning games, anime, and manga among others. Most of the Japanese user base welcomed the change, amazed at just how much manipulation Twitter Japan was (or is) doing behind the scenes.

Twitter had de facto commissars in every region that coordinated with their contacts at various activist networks to ensure everyone was coordinated. Musk broke that wheel. Twitter in the USA is noticeably better too. A few people left but no one cares. So many more interesting voices have been raised.

I deleted my Twitter account long before Musk took over it because Twitter has always been a outrage capital.

I’m not sure why it is now fashionable to see many techies here scream about it now after tolerating the years of garbage that has proliferated on the site. It is likely has something to do with the layoffs which can cause many to become highly emotional of all their reasoning.

The network effect of 220M+ users do not care and are still sitting on the platform as predicted with the alternatives failing to challenge Twitter and failing to surpass Twitter at all.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by vishnugupta »

jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Twitter's moat was and is network effect and having a critical mass of humans interacting through them. It was never about tech as such.

But Musk seems, knowingly or unknowingly, to be systematically pissing off Twitter's users. The blue tick shenanigans and conflating it with paid membership, pissing off advertisers, the bots problem that was never addressed, promoting himself at the cost of business, his covert/overt approval of extreme right wing tweets, so on and so forth.

There's only so much crap users can tolerate. A bunch of users have left for Mastodon, and a few more are doing so after he banned Substack links. Once a good chunk of core and influential content creators leave Twitter it'll get overwhelmed with bots and advertisers and will set of a negative spiral.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by ptero »

nkozyra wrote: post #584
greyman wrote: post #397

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But is twitter really dying? The fields I watch (AI, software engineering, writers), all thought leaders are still there, still posting regularly.

Anecdotally it seems so. Further anecdotal, but I think I've seen one ad that was from a company I recognized that wasn't weird dropshipping stuff in the last few months. It definitely feels less active and the conversation largely dominated by small accounts that are paying the $8.

It feels this way to me, too; and just from a user perspective it feels better, too. Although it may not be financially sustainable.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by lapcat »

jdminhbg wrote: post #579
sleepybrett wrote: post #405

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In my communities most people are double posting on mastodon and twitter. So much so that I only check twitter every few days for the stragglers.

Mastodon only has about 1.2M active users, so if most of your community is on there, it’s an unusual community. https://mastodon-analytics.com/

Most of the iOS developer community has moved to Mastodon.

They're the reason I joined Twitter originally. The community is what I care about, not the social media platform.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by evantbyrne »

somsak2 wrote: post #476
dymk wrote: post #459

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That's fine and valuable, but it doesn't sound like much of a moat. Those thought leaders used something else before Twitter - even if it takes a while, it's not a crazy idea that they'd eventually move somewhere else if the grass is greener.

What is this "something else" that you refer to? In fact, this kind of short-form, global conversation wasn't happening before Twitter, at least not on their scale.

I'm not really sure what a "thought leader" is, but it sounds like someone that would feel at home on LinkedIn.
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