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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by memorable »

fofoz wrote: post #109
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

Report from Vietnam: I received scam calls pretty often before. It Vietnam trash SIMs were fairly common, and it bothered people so much that the goverment has to force every mobile company to "standardize" their consumer's data (i.e. fixing the incorrect data in trash SIMs). I have not received any scam calls since doing it.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by dylan604 »

cccbbbaaa wrote: post #534
dylan604 wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that something called "flavouring substance" is a thing makes me shake my head. >Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Are these the same regulators that allowed Olestra to be used? sidebar--just to check the spelling of Olestra, I used the Mac's force click dictionary access: "Origin 1980s: from (p)ol(y)est(e)r + the suffix -a." WTF? Seriously? W…

As I can't find when olestra products were sold in the EU, the answer seems to be “no”. Don't hesitate to prove me wrong though.

Sure, the EU definitely seems to be better about what it considers food. The United States of Greed definitely needs to do better. I'm constantly flabbergasted at what is considered edible and passes as food in the US. The fact that being required to put on the package the words "anal leakage" doesn't immediately stop someone from using it as an ingredient just shows how little corp food cares about what it puts into the "food products" it manufactures/sales.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by kjto »

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

The Italian gov might be crowded with subpar intelligence, but OpenAI didn’t do a great job at reassuring people either in terms of how they handle data, how they trained models, what they share with plugins, privacy and security blah blah

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by maroonblazer »

austinl wrote: post #427
fofoz wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…

Had no idea this setting existed despite being an iPhone user for years. Thank you!

Settings->General->Phone->Silence Unknown Callers

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

dylan604 wrote: post #323
TheFattestNinja wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does ban the sale of videogames and movies though. Via the "age rating" mechanism.

They don't ban sale of videogames/movies based on age rating mechanism, they restrict the sales. These words are not the same and not to be used interchangeably.

And it had taken many decades to produce a workable system within this medium. With the speed of government vs the speed of development in the private sector, a temporary ban whilst they get their ducks in a row seems wise.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Tryk »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #394
lib-dev wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#2 is simply not a fact. Wikipedia has a page on extraterritorial jurisdiction. There's a list[1] of specific laws passed around the world that grant extraterritorial jurisdiction. How can you say there is no precedent? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction#...

I mean specifically in the way GDPR does it. GDPR asserts that anyone anywhere in the world must adhere to the GDPR if any EU citizens supply data to them. I'm not aware of any remotely similar laws in commerce or communications in any other country.

Having read this comment thread I feel compelled to comment that I find your reasoning bizarre. You started out with saying:

> GDPR tries to enforce its rules on servers outside of its territory.

Which you then clarified to

> It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

So it would appear as if your argument is:

GDPR is unique, because it exerts extraterritorial jurisdiction over servers whenever EU citizens are affected.

But then people inform you that the US does not allow servers in other countries to store the data (i.e. PII) of children under 13 unless adhering to a strict legal framework. COPPA : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_...

However, you won't relent. In the latest iteration of your argument you claim:

> I mean specifically in the way GDPR does it.

which you specify to mean

>GDPR asserts that anyone anywhere in the world must adhere to the GDPR if any EU citizens supply data to them. I'm not aware of any remotely similar laws in commerce or communications in any other country.

And in another comment write:

>Also, in the case of Bytedance, they have a US presence which is why they were able to be sued in a US court: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.37...

But you never ask yourself WHY ByteDance has a US presence in the first place? We could ask similar questions: Why does Facebook have a EU presence (on Ireland), why does Google?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by nigamanth »

kjto wrote: post #583
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

The Italian gov might be crowded with subpar intelligence, but OpenAI didn’t do a great job at reassuring people either in terms of how they handle data, how they trained models, what they share with plugins, privacy and security blah blah

OpenAI is a fairly new company, and if it tells you how it trained models what stops you from making one yourself?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by drexlspivey »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #138
thefz wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. Companies can either adapt to the ruling or take their business elsewhere.

> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

Didn’t the US bring a law to ban TikTok this week?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by nonethewiser »

Aromasin wrote: post #244
dagorenouf wrote: post #130

Europe on top of innovation once again. Watch out US and China! /s (I say this as a French citizen)

About once a week I consider dropping out of the tech industry and becoming a politician just so I don't have to sit and watch by the sidelines as incompetent, ignorant people, who studied humanities with not a drop a technical aptitude, bullshit their way through funding and regulating technology. They are never well informed enough to come up with any sort or coherent solution, because they're barely capable in act…

I think that’s a feature though. The people who get into position of power are competent at politics. It’s a system that optimized for bullshitting. It takes a literal psychopath to not get frustrated/drained. You’re probably far too sane to make it.
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