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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by throwawaylinux »

dragonwriter wrote: post #570
throwawaylinux wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the most recent presidential election maybe. For the previous one a majority of Democrats including many high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. Clearly you aren't going to have a large contingent of deniers of elections that your favored party won.

> For the most recent presidential election maybe. Yes, that’s generally what “believe the election was stolen” without further qualification means; its not a reference to the total sum of people who believe at least one election in the history of the US was stolen. > For the previous one a majority of Democrats including high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. No, they weren’t. https:/…

Yes they were a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election and a vast amount of irresponsible rheotoric around it that was very dangerous to democracy. Don't try to gaslight on this one. A lot of uneducated morons and delusional conspiracy theorists thought "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", fueled by dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric from certain anti-democratic election denier politicians and media corporations.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by RobAtticus »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #559
dragonwriter wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The United States does not have a strong democracy. Half (more or less) of the population believes the election was rigged. From various recent polls, it looks like somewhere between 30-40%, somewhere under 2/3 of Republicans and Republican-leaners and basically no one else.

For the most recent presidential election maybe. For the previous one a majority of Democrats including many high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. Clearly you aren't going to have a large contingent of deniers of elections that your favored party won.

When push came to shove, how many Democratic leaders (Reps and Senators) voted against or objected to the electoral college results in 2017? It was less than 10 Representatives and no Senators, meaning none of the objections were even put to a vote[1]. That is a far cry from what occurred in 2021.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_C...

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by rootusrootus »

stametseater wrote: post #527
shepherdjerred wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States does not have a strong democracy. Half (more or less) of the population believes the election was rigged.

They can bitch and whine as much as they like, letting people blow off steam is part of the process by which democracy keeps the peace. Aside from various small and short riots, there has been very little political violence in America since the 1860s.

Attempting to overturn the results of the election as the votes were being counted in the Capitol is quite an escalation, though. Sure, it's not up to 1860s standards, but it's still unprecedented in modern times.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by dragonwriter »

rootusrootus wrote: post #573
soderfoo wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30% is about par for the course when it comes to contemporary controversial POTUS elections [1][2]. It seems to ebb and flow: each side takes their turn being the aggrieved party and then alternate next go around (2000, 2016, 2020). Consecutive cycles of animosity on one side could be worrying. The tapestry of dysfunctional patchwork that make up the American Constitutional Republic, while tattered and frayed before,…

> Consecutive cycles of animosity on one side could be worrying. Is that not what we're experiencing now? It's hard to 'both sides' this issue with a straight face, when the biggest election denier in America is a former president and current presidential candidate. When was the last time that happened?

> It’s hard to ‘both sides’ this issue with a straight face, when the biggest election denier in America is a former president and current presidential candidate. When was the last time that happened?

The closest parallel was probably Aaron Burr and his…whatever exactly he was trying to achieve in 1806-1807 in the Southwest after being dumped as VP in 1804 in part resulting from Jefferson’s suspicions that he was trying to pull electoral shenanigans in 1800. But that’s a long time ago, in very different circumstances, and not a particularly close parallel. So, never anything really similar.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #581
dragonwriter wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the most recent presidential election maybe. Yes, that’s generally what “believe the election was stolen” without further qualification means; its not a reference to the total sum of people who believe at least one election in the history of the US was stolen. > For the previous one a majority of Democrats including high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. No, they weren’t. https:/…

Yes they were a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election and a vast amount of irresponsible rheotoric around it that was very dangerous to democracy. Don't try to gaslight on this one. A lot of uneducated morons and delusional conspiracy theorists thought "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", fueled by dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric from certain anti-democratic election denier politicia…

> a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election

[citation needed]

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by anoy8888 »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

I think you are a bit naive and underestimate china’s will to influence US any chance they get. TikTok is not a toy . I repeat . TikTok is not a toy. It is a super app that gets the most attention and time from 150 million Americans. And unlike rich people in US who are powerful, in China, bitedance ( TikTok) CEO is like a dog to the CCP leaders. They asked you eat shit , you will eat it twice to please them. This is a real danger . Note: I am Chinese

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by sacnoradhq »

remarkEon wrote: post #249

The media coverage of this (and the title of this submission, which I argue should be changed to the actual title of the bill) are really confusing everyone - both in here and elsewhere. There is a Senate bill[1] called "S.85 - No TikTok on United States Devices Act", which is very short and seems to only do one thing, and that's ban TikTok. This bill is in committee. There is another Senate bill[2], called "S.686 -…

This is a sinophobic media war conflating several ideas:

1. Games, social media, or other personal apps on government devices is a terrible idea. They shouldn't be there to begin with.

2. Making a big deal of banning them from US government devices is a symbolic anti-China move.

3. Banning US consumers from using a particular transnational app. How exactly would that be enforced? How would it not run afoul of the 1st a.? Will the US gov get into the business of banning apps, books, games, and any particular media it doesn't approve of because it didn't happen to originate in America?

4. Forcing a transnational app to either move its data to the US or sell to a US owner. Russia did this and now they're an international pariah. How exactly does this square with laissez-faire free trade?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by throwawaylinux »

dragonwriter wrote: post #585
throwawaylinux wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they were a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election and a vast amount of irresponsible rheotoric around it that was very dangerous to democracy. Don't try to gaslight on this one. A lot of uneducated morons and delusional conspiracy theorists thought "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", fueled by dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric from certain anti-democratic election denier politicia…

> a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election [citation needed]

No it isn't.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by coffeebeqn »

anoy8888 wrote: post #586
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

I think you are a bit naive and underestimate china’s will to influence US any chance they get. TikTok is not a toy . I repeat . TikTok is not a toy. It is a super app that gets the most attention and time from 150 million Americans. And unlike rich people in US who are powerful, in China, bitedance ( TikTok) CEO is like a dog to the CCP leaders. They asked you eat shit , you will eat it twice to please them. This is…

Also China has banned or regulated to uselessness every American piece of software. Globalization and unipolar power has ended.

Do you think banning Huawei from owning US telecommunications infrastructure is also a sign of the end times (Parent comment)?

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