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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. They're taking away the power Facebook has over many people's lives so people might enjoy their lives in more social and healthy ways again.

> Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. Is this not exactly them telling people how to live their lives? "Live offline."

Not offline, just not using social networks. Same way kids can drink juice, water and pop but not alcohol. Should kids be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke? Again, if I see this as a public health measure I think it makes sense.

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Neither of those things are true? The books being banned are not pornographic?

“WASP” has the specific connotation of northeastern white people of longstanding American lineage. (The term typically excludes southern and Appalachian whites that technically also are Anglo Saxon and Protestant.) Those people are the vanguard of social liberalism today, in states like Massachusetts and Connecticut. In Florida, meanwhile, non-Hispanic whites are just 51% of the population (versus 65-70% in Massachus…

The graphic depiction of underage people engaged in sex acts is against federal law and most likely Texas law as well. It is baffling to me how the media depicts this as "anti trans" or "anti lgbt" book banning while managing to never mention the specifics of the books.

I'm about as liberal as they come on social issues. But I don't think these books are appropriate in an elementary or middle school library.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Gay guy here. I have always said that these sort of laws designed to protect children will do precisely the opposite. An LGBTQ child is effectively forcibly outed by this law, potentially before they've come to terms with their sexuality / gender themselves. Whilst I don't doubt social media causes a lot of harm on children growing up, giving parents full access to your messages is not the solution. In my opinion, ba…

It is well known that more teens commit suicide in insular religious communities. It's not social media it is people driving other people to despair. Ofcourse you can't really fix that.

Source? That isn't true.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I really don't see the overall negativity towards this bill. Yes, there may be problems with id verification, but outside of that, is it such a big deal that a parent needs to give permission for their kid to start using Instagram?

My kids don't get to start using Disney+ or Netflix without my permission -- namely my credit card on the family account. This doesn't feel much different.

Do you think kids under 14 shouldn't have parents involved in guiding them online? I agree once they're older they need more freedom. But an 11 year old who wants to use TikTok because all his friends do or a 12 year old who wants to use Instagram or Snap because all her friends want to message in a group there should have some parental involvement. The amount of bullying, wealth-shaming (your house sucks), etc going on is mind-boggling.

And yeah, we used to have bullies when I was a kid too, but it would be on the schoolyard in front of 2 or 3 other kids, not a chat thread with half the school on it.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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From other comments, it seems the definition is not "what you assume is a social media app" but "any service with over 5 million users that facilitates chat via posts". I am 99% certain this includes Hacker News, Steam, probably also bugs.chromium.org and bugzilla.mozilla.org, and maybe even any website that allows user comments if they happen to have over 5 million users.

> From other comments, it seems the definition is not "what you assume is a social media app" but "any service with over 5 million users that facilitates chat via posts". It's baffling to read all the HN comments encouraging draconian restrictions and forced PII collection on websites, all with the assumption that it will only apply to websites I don't like . Laws like this, if enforced, would make a lot of the sites…

The sponsors of this bill are likely less worried about the 17yr olds who can hack around the restrictions. They're more worried about 12 and 13yr olds who are attempting suicide and experiencing mental health crises at a rate that far exceeds any previous time.

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I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.

It’s a narrow win. If people can’t post to their sites, they’re going to start thinking about going to Colorado rather than Utah for their skiing. The so-called “Silicon slopes” are going to thin out as large companies question what the legislature is going to arbitrarily decide to screw with next. Tourism dollars and high tech jobs are a hefty price. As an aside, I lived in Utah for many years and I generally though…

Willing to bet most of the Utahns you lived around are more worried about the impact of these services on their kids than on government overreach. They can't figure out a non-governmental way to fix the issue.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Salt lake city is not a sparsely populated rural area, and its suicide rate is about the same as the state's overall rate (24 vs 20.8). Could be some altitude effects as a sibling comment observed, though SLC at only 4200 ft isn't in the Denver range. But Utah also had a large rise in teen suicide over times that align also with the social media hypothesis: https://utah-health.shorthandstories.com/state-of-suffering/…

Regardless, pointing to Utah” specific “cultural features” doesn’t make much sense. Neighboring Colorado has an even higher suicide rate, and is at the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of culture compared to Utah.

This is a logical fallacy - "Colorado is not X, therefore Utah is not either".

In your earlier comment, you noted religion's correlation with happiness, but allow me to quote from a review article about religion and suicide specifically [1]:

> Whether religious affiliation protects against suicide attempts may depend on the culture-specific implications of affiliating with a particular religion,

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> The relationship between religion and suicide is complicated because both religion and suicide are complex constructs

You're making the mistake of conflating the individual's own degree of religious belief (which is _possibly_ mildly protective against suicide) with the _cultural context_ and its effect on people of varying religious belief and identity.

Colorado is not Utah. Utah is, as the saying almost goes, a bit "peculiar", and it's tricky.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310534/

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Don't forget trying to tee things up for our extremist leaning SCOTUS bench.

Posts like yours only serve to vindicate this new law(bill?) in Utah.

Care to explain your statement?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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History of adults masquerading as children for purposes of pedophilia.

History of adults masquerading as church leaders for purposes of pedophilia.

The church is often on their "team" so it gets a pass for rampant child abuse. Notice none of the groomer allegations are directed at the church despite the church abusing exponentially more children than people in drag. There is no global drag organization which is protecting members found to be abusing children by moving them into new areas where people don't know their priest is a pedophile the way we see in the church. If the "protect children" cries were honest, the churches and clergy should be one of the primary targets.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/nearly-1-700-priests-c...

> Nearly 1,700 priests and other clergy members that the Roman Catholic Church considers credibly accused of child sexual abuse are living under the radar with little to no oversight from religious authorities or law enforcement, decades after the first wave of the church abuse scandal roiled U.S. dioceses, an Associated Press investigation has found.

> These priests, deacons, monks and lay people now teach middle-school math. They counsel survivors of sexual assault. They work as nurses and volunteer at nonprofits aimed at helping at-risk kids. They live next to playgrounds and daycare centers. They foster and care for children.

> And in their time since leaving the church, dozens have committed crimes, including sexual assault and possessing child pornography, the AP’s analysis found.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Absolutely zero chance, SO was the only resource on the internet that had simple enough explanations for me when I started out programming at 11. I was making PRs to oss projects on Github and churning through Project Euler by 15. I literally owe my entire career to SO which is weird to say typing it out now.

Reading these comments about people relying on SO - a site founded in 2008 - at age 11, doesn't make me feel any younger, and I'm not even that old (inching closer and closer to my mid-30s). I got into Linux and bash/Python scripting by following tutorials on random shady sites and reading official documentation and manpages. Let's just say it wasn't as seamless as Googling an issue and having a SO thread directly an…

Certainly you participated in related forums right? Before SO I was much more involved in online communities like https://gamedev.net/ which are also at risk due to this sort of bill.
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