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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by unyttigfjelltol »

unoti wrote: post #524
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

> They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. I'm not so sure. Imagine having a human assistant that's smart enough to pass the bar, get an MBA, pass medical exams, and knows how to work on your car, and is good at brainstorming, and and and... And having that person do searches for you. Are you sure that working with this assistant would…

Fully automated self-driving puts the brainpower equivalent of a squirrel at the wheel of a 2-ton vehicle.

Automated mapping sends drivers down railroad tracks and impassible abandoned roads.

We'll eventually figure that AI chatbots similarly degrade the social and intellectual commons. Enjoy your AI advisor, the bar and professional boards exist to protect the public, however imperfectly, from exactly the unpredictable charlatanism embodied by your jack-of-all-trades AI assistant.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by la64710 »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

The fist roadblock on using bing is that when you search for something in bing.com and select chat under the search box it pops up a brain dead message to install the bing app!! I am not going to install an app on my phone just to do some search.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Maarten88 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #538
unoti wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. I'm not so sure. Imagine having a human assistant that's smart enough to pass the bar, get an MBA, pass medical exams, and knows how to work on your car, and is good at brainstorming, and and and... And having that person do searches for you. Are you sure that working with this assistant would…

Oh the chatbots absolutely have the potential to create tons of value. The question is if its creator can harvest it/how much will be left with the consumer vs the producer. I suspect that it will still be very difficult to get people to sign up for subscriptions and advertising will be less effective than current search advertising so the chatbot creator will have difficult harvesting the value they create.

why settle for advertisements or user subscription when they could have the Chat AI make transactions for the user and take a cut from the seller. They could publish an API spec for many transaction categories and providers would be in line to sell products and services.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by gardenhedge »

Exciting stuff in the search space but my guess is Microsoft messes it up. They have pretty bad products all round and when they do have a good product they often mess up the next version.

Google's AI tech will be as good or better. I also think the AI tech will quickly become a commodity.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by adamrezich »

dang wrote: post #276

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

when did "vaporware" change meaning from "something that has been talked about repeatedly, for a long time, but never ended up releasing" to simply "something that is not out right now"? I've seen this word misused similarly a lot recently.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by heleninboodler »

yodon wrote: post #96
rvz wrote: post #43

If you haven’t realised yet, Microsoft Bing with ChatGPT is the last stage of the EEE phase ‘Extinguish’ after embracing and extending OpenAI, that will drive and undercut other competing services like Jasper.ai to zero and the best AI tools for free or close to free. It will significantly affect smaller so-called AI companies like Jasper.ai than Google. But this announcement is unsurprising and as expected. [0] I wi…

> EEE No. This has nothing to do with a statement made 20+ years ago. There is no "Embrace" involved. There is no "Extend" involved. There is no "Extinquish" involved. There is an obvious business and competitive step involved, and a major business relationship with OpenAI involved. It's time to grow up and stop acting as if using terminology and aspersions from the era of Fax machine is somehow hip and insightful. E…

Especially considering EEE is specifically a strategic attack on standards used by your competitors. Microsoft's strategy was based on seeing open standards as a threat to their dominance. You embrace the standard by providing compatibility with it. Once established in the marketplace, you extend the standard so your product is better in some nonstandard way that breaks compatibility with competitors. Then you use your differentiation to assert market dominance and extinguish the competitors. I'm not sure how this allegedly applies to OpenAI.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dwaltrip »

dwaltrip wrote: post #84
jchw wrote: post #65

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I get redirected to regular bing when I visit, with an apparent error code in the URL. Is this not fully rolled out?

It seems not. I've been unable to access it.

Update: bing.com/new now works for me, and I was able to sign up for the waitlist.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by la64710 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #535
lottin wrote: post #433

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Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

I too felt like a kid in the candy store but I soon discovered that if you go in depth on anything with chatGPT it just starts to repeat the same answers after a while.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by lottin »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #535
lottin wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

I have a feeling that when I read a book I get smarter, whereas when I interact with a chat bot I get dumber. And it's not just a feeling, I'm positive that this is what's actually happening.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by threeseed »

jbenjoseph wrote: post #536
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

Nobody is going to use a chat-bot if it is (a) constantly trying to sell you something or (b) going to give you biased results that are influenced by advertising spend.

So OP is right that this model is going to be financially harmful to Google.

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