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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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I’m thrilled to see facial recognition applied against people in a position to speak out loudly against it. A lot of people seem OK with it when it’s policing the bad parts of town. This is their reminder that it can be used against them, too.

You are going to be pretty excited over the next few years …

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#582

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assuming it was scalable, would it be OK then? The problem with automated facial recognition technology is that it makes what used to be infeasible suddenly routine and cheap. In the past, would the security folks at Madison Square Garden have even thought about implementing this kind of policy? No, of course not; it would have been obvious from the very beginning that such a policy would have required far too many r…

This is while it’s in the hands of corporations. Wait until the local HOA sets up cameras to real-time scan for people on the sex offender registry. In the future ounishowill be swift and eternal

It’s already happening. You can’t leave most municipalities without and LPR scan and interstate corridors are covered by face recognition capable cameras. The Feds can track your progress from Maine to Miami in near real time.

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Oh well that's certainly a relief in this context! I do appreciate the input here, but maybe to help you engage with the actual thought a little better (and for my edification, perhaps) do you have any reasons or theories as to why this is the case?

I doubt this question can be answered in a short comment. The differences stem from thousands of years of diverging cultural influences, history and geography. As for Russia, this video gives a good introduction to the origins of Russian Authoritarianism (with comparisons to power structures in China and Europe over history), that go all the way back to the 5th century A.D. with the Huns and the unique geography/clim…

So, how does the U.S.A fare in this kind of thinking? There isn't such a vast history to pull from there, how can you justify an analogous nationalistic identity/moral character for it without such a big story?

Also, what is the argument for being able to collapse culture and state together, such that the state can/will manifest this trans-historic character of a group of people? Or rather, if we grant that relation either way, does the argument have anything to say about any of the tumultuous events of politics and culture in Russia or China in the 20th century? Are they just hiccups along the overall trend? Such that the CCP isn't an authoritarian regime from without which harms china now, but an inevitable symptom of some trans-historic Chinese culture?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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"Unrelated to their dispute" is a fuzzy category. How would the venue actually know that she's unrelated to the dispute? They're not going to have access to the internal management chart of the law firm in order to be able to precisely delineate in every case exactly who gets admitted and who doesn't. And it's unreasonable to force them to create some sort of bouncer appeals board to let people present evidence to sh…

> How would the venue actually know that she's unrelated to the dispute? They're not going to have access to the internal management chart of the law firm in order to be able to precisely delineate in every case exactly who gets admitted and who doesn't. The venue knows not, but that venue is a tiny cog in an empire owned by the parent group. The parent group compiled the ban list by trawling the large law firms webs…

> The parent group compiled the ban list by trawling the large law firms website for images .. and the parent group knows which offices and groups of personnel are involved in a specific case.

Do they? I don't work in law but at every company I've worked we adjust who is working on what based on needs at the time. Why wouldn't a law office temporarily shift more people to a case if they needed some extra manpower?

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I mean, I think it's standard operating procedure not to allow any interaction except through proper channels when there's litigation involved, and they can apply this here. I don't think barring someone from your property is a good punishment against someone who is trying to sue you, since that kinda implies they "dislike" you already and wouldn't want to engage with you

All that is well and good for a plaintiff . But their lawyer? Or any other lawyer who works at the same firm? Nah, this is bananas.

So if google is suing ticketmaster then ticketmaster banning google employees would be ok?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#586

How does some bar theater whatever have a database of where people work? This is broken as fuck.

Her law firm is actively using the venue owners. This isnt just some random person showing up to an event. Her picture is probably on the firm's website.

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> The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The Constitution wasn't designed for a multi-racial democracy, either. It took a bloody civil war to settle the slavery question though.

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Then we shall improve the voting populace by first and foremost removing you from it. Progress!

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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How did they identify her? Where is MSG getting the data for their facial recognition? This part is confusing to me (I assume some third party vendor, but that's besides the point). Do they have you upload a photo of yourself? Do they have access to driver license photos? If the latter, that's a serious issue that I think we should be talking about: private companies having access to government biometric data. It's a…

The law firm in question has headshots of their attorneys:

https://www.dsslaw.com/our-firm/attorneys/kelly-analiese-con...

It wouldn't take much to feed the 7 pictures into a system.

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Consent isn't required if you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. I can take your photo in public, and there's nothing you can do about it. I can even distribute that photo, and you can't, and if you do, I can sue you for copyright infringement. I own your likeness, in a finite way. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/but-it-s-a-photo-of-me-cel...

Not so fast....In Illinois anyway. You cannot do any of that without consent if you use that data for any commercial purpose. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3004&C... I think anyway, IANAL but I believe this law prohibits the collection of, in this case, images/facial recognition, etc. So, you can take my picture in public and keep it on your phone, you cannot upload it to say Instagram without…

The definitions section is important. "Biometric identifiers do not include ... photographs." (740 ILCS 14/10).

Regarding commercial use of photos taken of people in public, the law varies by state. Some states have stronger protections.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Didn't Microsoft not allow employees to have Apple devices for a while? Or vice versa? I remember something along those lines.

I think you're remembering this story: https://www.businessinsider.com/ballmer-snatches-microsoft-e... It was never an actual policy, which is why the employees reacted the way they did.

Ballmer was notoriously a prick about such things.
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