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Post by dudeinjapan »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #575
dudeinjapan wrote: post #563

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Funny thing I just learned the same a few days ago, but I think through a click-chain beginning on HN. Been awhile since I was last at Mori Art Museum, they have some good stuff. Many years ago I used to volunteer there giving tours for learning disabled young adults. Recommend to check out the Museum of Contemporary Art Tokyo (MOT), they have some killer exhibits, I've been to nearly every one the last few years.

> Museum of Contemporary Art Tokyo (MOT) I was just there yesterday haha. Glad we agree.

Nice!! You must have caught the Jean Prouve exhibit on its closing day then. That one was killer, I really enjoyed it with all the actual portable houses setup.

Another highlight in this past year was an exhibit the making of the classic Godzilla movies, they had some of the miniature sets recreated.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by jpgvm »

martin1975 wrote: post #547
smcl wrote: post #32

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But Musk doesn't want a platform for "free speech" - he wants a platform where guys like him can do or say what they like without repercussions, but where he can crack down on anyone he doesn't like. Like it or not Twitter is about as good a compromise as you're going to get. The "free speech" places like Truth Social and Gab will happily boot you off if they don't like you. Twitter have a TOS where they are very for…

Assuming the user's comment meets the legal definition of 1A speech and is not porn, if you can show me a single instance where anyone that posted a comment that was either removed or censored in some way by anyone with access at Gab, I will personally send you USD $50 in crypto at any address you specify in the comment, after I corroborate your example/evidence with Gab's management. I've been on Gab since its incep…

These places with less free speech aren't even as far away as Russia or China. Hate speech is illegal in Australia for instance.

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Post by werber »

lghh wrote: post #312
bambax wrote: post #271

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This article is from 2011, but today on Spotify Eminem still has more monthly listeners than Kanye West (53M vs 51M). Eminem also has several songs that have over a billion streams (one with >1.5b), while Kanye has just one and it's at exactly 1b. So yes, Eminem is still well ahead.

This discounts Kanye's production work as well and might discount many of his collaborations, but I expect Eminem to still have more listens on spotify. However, in terms of influence on hip hop and pop music as a whole, I think Kanye is above Eminem and it's probably not close. Unfortunately, that's a lot harder to measure.

The first time I remember hearing about Kanye was on Jay-Z's Black Album, "Kanyeezy you do it again, you a genius", the criticism lobbed against him in the early aughts was that he was a brilliant producer, but not a rapper, and then College Dropout came out, and changed that. It's really a shame to see all of this, Kanye is one of my favorite musicians of all time.

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Post by mikkergp »

seanw444 wrote: post #377

Hey guys, I have an idea: why don't we try building free-speech protocols rather than free-speech platforms? Humans are fallible. We like to think we could build something where people can talk freely, but if the ability to censor something we don't like is presented, at some point nearly everybody will take that action because they personally deem it necessary for some greater good. Ultimately, protocols that cannot…

There are very few people who just want to speak freely. People choose a platform like twitter because they want to be heard, and they want the opportunity to be heard by people who don't want to listen.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #571
giraffe_lady wrote: post #529

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The idea that it's important to have a mainstream and consequence-free venue for all forms of speech may be your belief but it is not mine. My belief is that public forums with reach into the tens or hundreds of millions are fertile ground for nationalist and genocidal movements, and they will be used for that purpose if it is not actively prevented . Moderation of wide-reach public forums with the goal of preventing…

> The idea that it's important to have a mainstream and consequence-free venue for all forms of speech may be your belief but it is not mine. Well, imagine that you got kicked off the internet for saying what you just said? You’re only allowed to express your disagreement because of free speech principles

I have frankly radical political beliefs and am outspoken about them: getting banned and censored is not a hypothetical situation for me but an experience I have actually had many times.

Nevertheless I remain committed to preventing the growth of nationalist, racist, and genocidal movements, and I've come to believe that this requires moderation of large-scale public internet forums.

There is no fair, reasonable, effective content-neutral strategy here. All moderation is ideological, including the choice not to moderate at all. And every choice within that constraint will have consequences. We are better off looking at the consequences we want to prevent and working backwards, than we are starting from a specific ideology and moderating the way it demands.

"No moderation at all" isn't a virtuous abstinence from making this choice or being responsible for the outcomes, it is just one option among many, and one I find to have unacceptable consequences.

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Post by cwkoss »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

He's been delusionally egotistical for nearly two decades. I think he's always been a self centered asshole, the schtick was just more palatable when he was only talking about the trivialities of the music industry.

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Post by mabbo »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

That is what happens when speech is free from consequences.

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Post by werber »

taylodl wrote: post #160
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

and these Parler people are scamming him - that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. My first thought on hearing this news was so what? I don't care about Parler or Kanye West, but if Parler is taking advantage of Kanye's mental decline then that's next-level awful. Like I said, I'm no fan of Kanye, but that's horrible to take advantage of people like that.

I understand this sentiment, and my only concern is Kanye's acquisition legitimizing anti-semitism and pushing vulnerable fans into radicalization via that platform.

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Post by npteljes »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #567
npteljes wrote: post #498

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The argument here is not that Kanye should be "mental illness free". Rather it's supposed that people around him exploit his vulnerability.

Lol who says he's being exploited? The dude has a couple billion, one doesn't get that kind of money by being gullible and easily exploitable. He can handle himself. Do we even know the valuation?

>who says he's being exploited?

This source, for example: https://www.yourtango.com/2021341546/kanye-wests-documentary...

People can be abused and be successful at the same time. Their success doesn't exempt them from being hurt, in fact, it makes them even more of a target, while they are not less vulnerable at all.

Also I haven't implied that he's easily exploitable. The exploiter for example can be a real pro at it.

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Post by mc32 »

wk_end wrote: post #536
spacemadness wrote: post #431

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Free speech to me is not going to jail for saying you think Hitler is a swell guy or you hate the president. It has nothing to do with protected algorithmic amplification of hate speech which is what a lot of bad actors are clinging to it for.

It's complicated - that's Free Speech as a right , but Free Speech as a virtue has a history in liberal thought that goes deeper than just protection from the government - most notably, Mill in On Liberty. There's an unfortunate but understandable tendency to conflate these two things.

It gets further complicated so that if you tell a joke in poor taste or in haste without considering the future and other implications you can get retroactively "cancelled".

So today you say something that is acceptable. But maybe tomorrow, after you turn 18, someone discovers your statement and they cancel you using today's judgements.

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