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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by warner25 »

sho_hn wrote: post #556
warner25 wrote: post #529

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I thought this was funny when I went to work in Korea for a year, as an American, with a bunch of other Americans; all of us stationed there in the military. Upon arrival, the other Americans immediately told me: "You need to get Kakao. It's how you text in Korea." I complied, but I often made the point that it was just another mobile app that they could install and use even back in the United States, and something l…

I can relate - I also spend 4 years living and working in Korea. And I also still have Kakao group chats filled with just other expats including gyopo, in addition to the ones with native friends. :) Kakao is in many ways kind of the worst of chats - phone number-bound, unspec'd, closed, non-federated, unencrypted, known to be under surveillance, ad-infested. But on the other hand around 2010-2015 the UX was quite ah…

I was using it in 2014-2015, and yeah I thought the UX was fine at that time. I did have the foresight to tie my account to my US Google Voice number (which has long been my primary number), so I didn't lose the account when I returned to the US and lost my KT phone number. I think that's what tripped up the other Americans who thought it was only an option in Korea.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by digitallyfree »

smcleod wrote: post #390
digitallyfree wrote: post #370

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I'd call it a win if you get them into rooting and custom distros like Lineage (which might give them a better overall appreciation of how tech works, encourage them to tinker, etc.)

Maybe... It's better than using Google/Samsung/whatever build of Android sure - but it's still feeding the google machine which is not a good thing. We need completely 'de-enterprised' Linux/BSD options. *Edit

Yeah, I wish there were good Linux options for handheld touch devices. Though I'll have to say that Android rooting as well as Hackintosh experiments (among other things) definitely paved the way for me running Linux fulltime and going into the engineering field. Lineage and others still let you use the standard social apps so you can communicate, while providing a platform to experiment and debug when things go wrong.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by brundolf »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297
brundolf wrote: post #269

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SMS has always been pretty broken for group chats and multimedia. I don't think we can blame Apple for that We could blame Apple for not making an Android iMessage app, though

Rumor has it that, despite Apple's public claims, one reason why is that iMessage is tied to a physical device. This helps keeps spam, malware, and banned devices all under control. Expanding to Windows and Android by definition means that iMessage can no longer have that per-device tie, which undermines these controls.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me

1. It's multi-device at least when we're talking about non-phones; that's one of its better features, being able to use it from your Mac or iPad

2. You can make an iMessage account without having an iPhone; just having an email/Apple ID and some other Apple device to use it from

3. If you had an Android phone, presumably you wouldn't also have an iPhone at the same time? And even if you were using it on an iPhone, it seems like nothing stops you from being logged in on a second iPhone

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Razengan »

hangonhn wrote: post #142
bmitc wrote: post #57

I have never understood the arguments that Apple doesn't have a monopoly or monopolies and thus should get away with all the anti-trust violations they get away with. They definitely have monopolies when it comes to market power and influence, even if Android phones (which are split across several manufacturers) have a larger worldwide market share.

This is the concept that's about to be tested in court. The majority of the revenue generating segment of the smartphone market is iOS while the majority of the overall smartphone market is Android. I get the sense that Apple did this on purpose but the Unity lawsuit may write a new chapter on what it means to be a monopoly. This Planet Money episode talks about this dilemma: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914563075/…

Sounds like simple jealousy. How dare someone with less users than us make more money?!

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fomine3 »

dalyons wrote: post #96
m348e912 wrote: post #8

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(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is awful. It’s an out-of-date, encumbered “standard” with poor global commonality in adoption. It exists for one reason only - because US carriers wanted some way to keep charging per message like their old sms cash cow, instead of being reduced to just proving dumb internet piping. Despite that, the carriers couldnt even agree amongst themselves on the "standard" RCS features to deploy for 10 years or so, until…

There are some bad points for RCS like encryption, but still it's far better for openess/compatibility compared to iMessage. Perhaps good to have as an alternative to MMS for fallback of iMessage.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by voisin »

heavyset_go wrote: post #24
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

> who can't afford to carry around luxury phones.

The solution is to buy an older iPhone second-hand.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by bmitc »

Razengan wrote: post #584
hangonhn wrote: post #142

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This is the concept that's about to be tested in court. The majority of the revenue generating segment of the smartphone market is iOS while the majority of the overall smartphone market is Android. I get the sense that Apple did this on purpose but the Unity lawsuit may write a new chapter on what it means to be a monopoly. This Planet Money episode talks about this dilemma: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914563075/…

Sounds like simple jealousy. How dare someone with less users than us make more money?!

Apple is probably the biggest bully of a company in the world. They absolutely don't just make more money. They use their power to ensure they make more money.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fomine3 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #414
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #109

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Android is ~72% of the global market: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile So, yes.

The month-day-year format is the standard for 4.23% of the global population, but it's the default in most IT systems, including every globally-deployed cloud system I have ever used. What's your point?

You should say thank you for localization system.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by postalrat »

jiggawatts wrote: post #424
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #330

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But points being: 1. RCS is now available and a standard. iMessage already "degrades" to sending SMS messages to those not on iMessage. There is no reason they can't better support RCS. 2. While MMS groups were missing a ton of features, there are just things now that are much worse as an Android user interacting with an iMessage group than it was previously in an MMS group. I.e. I never used to have issues with drop…

There's many reasons not to support RCS. It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow. If you spend more than a minute actually looking into it, you'll realise that Apple would basically have to run it in a virtual machine for security, and then hand over control to a bunch of telcos that can't even all agr…

Well then, why not use whatsapp or whatever the rest of the world is using?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by klyrs »

robbyking wrote: post #428
klyrs wrote: post #149

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I guarantee that kids who grow up to be financiers won't be a significant fraction of the 87%. Just like kids wearing Air Jordans when I was in school didn't all grow up to be pro ball players.

It's at least arguable that kids that grow up with the means to afford new iPhones will be more likely to have the means to go to a good college.

No disagreement there, but cargo-culting the iPhone isn't going to give poor kids rich parents
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