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Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by KoftaBob »

manfre wrote: post #570
KoftaBob wrote: post #545

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edit: Scratch that, a more fleshed out and popular protocol that implements this P2P concept is Scuttlebutt: www. http://scuttlebutt.nz/ The most user friendly and refined client I’ve found that implements this protocol is Planetary: https://www.planetary.social/

Your comment piqued my interest, but I didn't find the android (Manyverse) or desktop (Patchwork) apps to be user friendly. The UIs had a few UX oddities and unless you are convinced to join by others who are already using it, the social network is barren. Even trying to chain my from the most active people (last posts months ago) through their follower and following lists didn't fix my impression of it being a histo…

Yeah unfortunately that was my experience as well when i tested Manyverse and Patchwork on my test Android and Linux devices.

The Planetary app handles this much better, but it’s only on iOS/iPadOS ( therefore also able to run on M1 MacBooks) unfortunately.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by meowface »

xani_ wrote: post #470
danuker wrote: post #446

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> for all practical purposes it's pretty much dead. It has a very small community. That is very different from being dead - in fact, that community is probably much more passionate about what makes it specific than a large community. For example, you'd find that sysadmins are much more prevalent on Gopher than Twitter.

> For example, you'd find that sysadmins are much more prevalent on Gopher than Twitter. I'd say ratio of sysadmins to actual users of the service is good indication that something is dead

>I'd say ratio of sysadmins to actual users of the service is good indication that something is dead

I may steal this quote.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by lovich »

CRConrad wrote: post #556
lovich wrote: post #233

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> f*c*book Are we censoring Facebook now? Is this the modern version of using M$ Instead of Microsoft? Edit: fixed quote, and learned more about hn text styling

No, it seems we're making a little joke: The asterisks don't necessarily have to mean 'a' and 'e', do they? They could be some other letters...

Ah, that completely went over my head

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by preseinger »

gargron wrote: post #574
preseinger wrote: post #566

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Sorry, I wasn't precise: it's two databases (Postgres, Redis), an HTTP frontend (nginx) and specific versions of two interpreted language runtimes (Ruby, Node). The point stands.

While Mastodon can be used for small server purposes (e.g. server-of-one) it is really geared towards professional use - providing a service to thousands of users and scaling up horizontally. Looking beyond technical requirements, so many of Mastodon's features echo this -- account management, reporting, moderation. In that context, I really do not think that "uses a reverse proxy in the front" and "has a database an…

> While Mastodon can be used for small server purposes (e.g. server-of-one) it is really geared towards professional use - providing a service to thousands of users and scaling up horizontally.

Mastodon advertises itself as being a self-hosted project.

> Your *self-hosted*, globally interconnected microblogging community

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon

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> I really do not think that "uses a reverse proxy in the front" and "has a database and a cache store" is a factor.

These things matter at scale, but the typical Mastodon instance comes nowhere near that scale.

A reverse proxy is relevant beyond O(10k) RPS; less than that, and a single process directly serving requests is more suitable. A separate database is relevant beyond O(10M) records; less than that, and any embedded DB, or, frankly, direct filesystem access with any encoding format, is more suitable. A caching layer is relevant at the next order of magnitude for both of those dimensions; less than that, and there's no need.

Mastodon should, by default, ship as a single binary, statically compiled, with no runtime language requirements, and should manage its data storage requirements directly to disk.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by CRConrad »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #401
mariusor wrote: post #372

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Yet here we are doing just fine having that anonymous conversation. It won't change your life, but I bet you found out a thing or two from this thread.

Empty calories in our information diet.

If that were so, then why are you posting?

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by CRConrad »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #414
smoldesu wrote: post #406

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Oh, then I guess I don't really see what the problem is. It's a platform that lets you move your account freely, of course people are going to leave if you start smearing shit on the walls.

As you know, you see ads everywhere outside, and on many websites, including this one. If this genuinely feels like "shit smeared on a wall" to you, you really need to seek help.

Or maybe if it doesn't feel that way to you, you are the one who needs to seek help?

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Post by Self-Perfection »

wan_ala wrote: post #430
anderspitman wrote: post #256

Thanks for your hard work Ash, and sorry to hear about your loved one. As much as I love the Fediverse, I think the culture leans toward instances that are too big. I think the number of people on each instance should be much closer to 1 than 1000. The problem is self-hosting is too difficult for the average person. But that doesn't have to be the case. Self-hosting shouldn't be any more complicated or less secure th…

Honestly I think some big issues are that not everyone has a fast machine thats going to be up all the time to host the instance. It would be cool to implement something like BitTorrent but for websites.

Zeronet kind of do this

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by knewter »

noirscape wrote: post #56
knewter wrote: post #38

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1) https://github.com/soapbox-pub/soapbox is a frontend that works atop either mastodon, pleroma, or the rebased backend 2) https://github.com/soapbox-pub/rebased the rebased backend is a fork of pleroma but it's much better maintained than pleroma

I would advise against soapbox actually. The developer got kicked off the Pleroma project after badgering other maintainers[1] (which he admits to doing) for reverting a technical decision he forced through after it was deemed to be not very useful to the project and encouraged bad practices (the fediverse uses a protocol called WebFinger to find other users, the developer wanted to add a bunch of alternate endpoints…

I know Alex. He's a really good dude.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by reply-chan »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #572
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #548

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What I'm getting from this is the vilifying is really about identity politics. Which makes sense and means I pegged it correctly.

No, it's not about that. This developer created a fake website claiming to represent the whole Fediverse, à la https://joinmastodon.org/ . His version recommends the following instances, in order, with the message "Browse a small sample of Fediverse servers that are welcoming to newcomers below.": • Literal Neo-Nazi site. Defederated by nearly all of Fedi because they are literal, card-carrying Nazis . • Transphobia-…

made an account simply to say that when you say things like "The bottom two are legitimately part of the Fediverse – albeit the shady alleyways of the Fediverse" its really obvious how poorly you think of these other groups, such that even if they're still people using the same software for this, that because of their views they aren't "legitimate". i dont really get that, but i figure i'd say that when you lead off with They're Literal Neo Nazis, 1) people tend to not care (and if you or someone else does, dont join them, defed, mute. just let others live their own lives ffs) and 2) not all poast users are nazis even if many of them are, same with fse or spc or any other given. also as far as "no one uses his instance" idk i think 500 people is a pretty big amount to have a personal dev server.

if you want to just live your life, stop posting about how some guy who has no access to your life beyond you looking at his stuff or being shown it on fedi. just block the guy, mute instance, set up a reject, and fucking focus on something else. theres other shit to do that isnt giving a shit about some nerd on the internet that you dont like. theres so many other things in fact that i'd imagine you'd enjoy doing much more than thinking about Alex Gleason. have a good day yo.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by ccn0p »

dangus wrote: post #169
ccn0p wrote: post #167

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OP didn't say anything about timing. Everything comes to an end. The point is that the timing in one case is decided by the users, the other by shareholders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies

great list thanks for sharing. I'm just not sure making grain alcohol in the 15th century applies to a modern day Internet company listed on a public stock exchanges. But time will tell for sure.. it always does!
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