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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by bombcar »

walrus01 wrote: post #165
jbaczuk wrote: post #63

It reminds me of the outcry from Trevor Bauer over the MLB not enforcing the illegal substance rule for pitchers. He had to take matters into his own hands until the league decided to enforce the rules.

Look at all the people who had their careers absolutely destroyed by the US Postal/Discovery Channel/Lance Armstrong/Trek business (including Greg LeMond!) in the era where they were accusing Armstrong of the world's largest ever coordinated doping program, in the era before Armstrong and team were stripped of all their titles. Ultimately in the fullness of time they were all proven to be correct.

I always felt the doping scandal broke just because way too many people were involved. If it had only been Lance alone it may never have been found.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by asimpletune »

Bud wrote: post #508
roflyear wrote: post #245

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Magnus can't even say he KNOWS he cheated. He only says he SUSPECTS he cheated. That's all he can say.

No, that's all he has said thus far. You don't have the faintest idea what he "can say". In fact, Magnus hints that he has more to say, if GM Cheatboy gives him permission to do so without threat of a lawsuit. I imagine Magnus is telling the truth about that.

Exactly, and if he really wants to, he'll just give Magnus permission to say what he needs to say and they can discuss the matter transparently.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by asimpletune »

School-Cotton wrote: post #267
MichaelCollins wrote: post #156

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Zero tolerance blacklisting of cheaters is probably the best way forward. If neither Niemann nor Carlsen recant, then I predict chess will fall into general disrepute like baseball or billiards. The way for the professional chess community to salvage this situation is with zero tolerance blacklisting of anybody caught cheating, even as a teenager.

Baseball is in general disrepute? TIL.

At one point in time they would literally fix the World Series. This was a long time ago, but yeah, baseball had big issues with integrity. The steroids thing is nothing compared to how bad it used to be.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by gpm »

School-Cotton wrote: post #577
contravariant wrote: post #567

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I'm not sure if letting the chess players be the arbiters of this is the best course of action though.

Nobody is claiming they should be. FIDE isn’t banning Hans based on Magnus’s vague suspicions, as indeed they shouldn’t. Magnus is just refusing to invest time and energy (and rating points) to play against someone he doesn’t like, which is absolutely his right. Nobody has the right to force Magnus or anyone else to play against them.

> Magnus is just refusing to invest ... (and rating points)

I think resigning on move 2 might just be investing rating points to avoid investing time and energy... not avoiding investing them.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by deusum »

walrus01 wrote: post #442
not_kurt_godel wrote: post #375

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> Also, clever cheating devices have been found in over the board chess competitions The most convincing candidate for such a device I've seen is an Illuminati Thumper Pro hidden in Hans's shoe: https://illuminati-magic.com/products/thumper . If you watch the footage of him getting scanned before his match with Alireza (and, crucially, before Magnus announced he was dropping), there are a couple of subtle things that…

You don't need something that transmits if you're searching for bug-like devices or any general integrated circuits with a nonlinear junction detector: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_junction_detector I am very far removed from anything related to Chess, but if they want to get serious about this they should hire people who specialize in the federal-contracting adjacent field of TSCM (technical surveillance…

With that nest of hair I wonder maybe he disassembles the device and puts small parts in various locations, the most detectable in the shoe or "the pocket".

Someone familiar with slight of hand could comfortably scratch here and there while dropping pieces in a 'build' pocket.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by duderific »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #335
School-Cotton wrote: post #267

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Baseball is in general disrepute? TIL.

The rampant doping got so bad they had a highly publicized congressional hearing about it. I doubt it ever stopped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#Congression...

It may not have stopped entirely, but there are much better safeguards in place, and it's pretty obvious based on power hitting statistics (home runs mainly) that it's not even close to as bad as it was in the 90's and early 2000's. The penalties for getting caught doping are quite high.

Most recently, superstar San Diego Padres player Fernando Tatis Jr. was suspended for 80 games after testing positive for steroid use. [1]

[1] https://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/steroids_baseball...

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by samatman »

roflyear wrote: post #357
ouid wrote: post #209

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The largest state that we have successfully managed to isolate from communication with the rest of the universe is on the order of 15 qubits. I think you do not appreciate just how easy it is to get information through a channel. Or rather how difficult it would be to prove that such a channel was used. This is, however, irrelevant. Hans Niemann is a chess cheat. Allowing him to set the narrative to "I've only cheate…

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I palmed a candy bar a couple times as a kid, sure, out with bad company.

I've never cheated on a game, even a casual one. I would never respect someone who did.

You obviously have, and I don't respect you.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by bombcar »

InitialLastName wrote: post #406
utopcell wrote: post #238

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And the air temperature should be controlled because someone may signal single-bit information otherwise.

Be sure to pause train traffic through Penn Station, otherwise the Amtrak dispatcher could transmit seismic data depending on platform routing.

Now I want an Oceans 11 style movie where it’s chess cheating and the revealed method is insanely elaborate.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by arnaudsm »

pphysch wrote: post #532
dorkwood wrote: post #434

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When I was younger, I spent many, many hours playing one particular video game. I became a “known cheater” at the game, despite never actually cheating (I’d cheated at other games in my early teens, but had since given up that lifestyle). I can recall several players on discussion boards analysing my statistics and explaining how I was clearly cheating because it was impossible for a human to play like me. Humans, th…

Chess is not some random online video game though

What's the difference ? Many online games have the same player base and prize pools, and some have way more dimensions than chess.
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