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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16

controversial opinion: as much as everybody knows that China isn't exactly championing the western way of life and western democratic standards, I keep my private files in a Chinese cloud (backups are kept private in a NAS in my house). Why? Because they are not in contact with our authorities and, frankly, the chances my private files will be of any interest for Chinese authorities are close to zero. Not that I have…

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My future proof solution will be hosting my data on bare metal in Iceland.

They are quite serious about data privacy.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by Thorrez »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #517
Thorrez wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatsapp and Signal are e2e encrypted. Telegram isn't.

telegram is just not by default

AFAIK Telegram only has e2e for secret chats, which has to be enabled on a per-chat basis, doesn't support group chats, and can only be used from a single device (unlike Whatsapp which I can use on both my phone and desktop browser at the same time).

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Post by LorenPechtel »

azinman2 wrote: post #537
LorenPechtel wrote: post #527

The real problem here is companies are not cops and should quit acting like cops. The instant a company has evidence of a possible crime being committed they should be required to hand the evidence over to the police and then take no other action other than preventing distributing it or the like. This is not just Google's AI goofing up on what constitutes CSAM (and it sounds like given the witch hunt about such thing…

They may not be cops but they’ve created an enabling technology. They’re also the only ones who could access the data and recognize its potential for abuse. It’s not an easy situation. But clearly if they’re referring out to law enforcement, they need to close the loop on that and take responsibility when they get it wrong.

This is more than just Google and CSAM. We have a more general problem with companies playing cop--and generally doing a terrible job of it. This case is simply one example of the problem, we should be focusing on the bigger picture.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

adventured wrote: post #456
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The similarity is because it's an example of something other cultures see as normal, or at least harmless, but in the US it is seen as an egregious offense. Not hard for me to imagine a 7 year old American getting expelled and potentially prosecuted for trying to play a "Kancho" prank on a friend.

And many normal cultural things in the US would be regarded as an egregious offense in Japan (which has a very rigid, conservative, homogenous culture). So what.

You answered your own question.

>And many normal cultural things in the US would be regarded as an egregious offense in Japan

Many taboos are specific to culture. That's the point

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Post by al_mandi »

silexia wrote: post #571
tryauuum wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eh, I feel like alcohol bans were fashionable in the past. USSR did it, Finland did it...

Alcohol ban makes a lot of sense.... alcohol has been proven scientifically to adversely harm humans in any amount.

Yep, Islam banned it over 1400 years ago.

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Post by oehpr »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #516

Given this story, you’d expect Google to make a yearly report saying that they successfully threw X number of pedophiles off their services, and the FBI convicted Y% of them. You’d think it would be something they and the government would love to crow about. But they don’t. Why?

Google used to have something on their front page to the tune of "What other people are searching right now!"

To sort of add a lively "Here's what's trending!" kinda thing

They pulled that feature really fast when it made users acutely aware that their searches were not at all private.

So... Likely this reason.

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Post by stirlo »

nilleo wrote: post #533

This might be the final push I needed to migrate off of Google services. It's been all too convenient to have a one stop shop for everything, but I couldn't imagine my rage if I lost all of my child's pictures because Google decided that the picture of their first bath (no genitals or face in frame) was too risky. What's recommended for a domain registrar to move my domains over to? I figure I can probably self-host…

Cloudflare does DNS and domain registration. They are subject to US laws but they have been very hands off and pro free speech (too much IMO, protecting abhorrent sites) but that does give more trust in this case.

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Post by midoridensha »

scarface74 wrote: post #403
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incompetence that leads to accusing a caring father of distributing CP seems “evil” to me. And I usually find myself on your side of these discussion, trying to avoid hyperbole. I don’t think ‘evil’ is hyperbolic in this case.

Google has never been focused on the end user like Apple, Microsoft and Amazon. All three of them live and die by customer service. But Google could care less about the end user. Standard disclaimer; I work for AWS.

Microsoft has never cared about end users either. They of course focused on them, but only as far as how much money they could extract, and that didn't mean keeping them happy. The customers were locked-in to their monopoly OS, so why would they care about customer happiness?
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