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Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by pitaj »

MaysonL wrote: post #554
phpisthebest wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be Fair, based on the History of " restrict guns " it is clear no amount of restrictions is enough to satisfy those that want to restrict guns, confiscation and total ban is the clear end goal it is NOT "bad faith" to say that, when there is clear evidence that no matter how many times compromise is reached they return the very next day asking for more and more restrictions

To be fair, banning guns seems to also ban mass shootings.

At face value, it may seem to, but whether it practically would, in the US especially, is a totally different question.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by root_axis »

arcticbull wrote: post #476
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #367

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How? I’m no fanboy but delivering working products pretty much negates all accusations of peddling vaporware.

FSD. CyberTruck. Humanoid Robot. Semi.

Also: Neurolink. Boring Company. Twitter Acquisition.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

alangibson wrote: post #570
seanw444 wrote: post #473

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Taking some leads to all. It's not something that should be compromised on. Gun restrictions won't end until ownership is so legally complex and time consuming that nobody can reasonably do it anymore. Of course it won't be an outright ban. That would never succeed. The frog in boiling water analogy applies here perfectly.

> Taking some leads to all No it doesn't. Here in Austria, only cops have pistols and semiautomatic arms virtually don't exist. However most of the guys I know have at least one hunting rifle.

Ever growing restrictions start creeping in. In many US states where handguns are hard to acquire it is now difficult to buy small caliber rifle ammunition that can be used in some handguns.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by cantSpellSober »

carlosdp wrote: post #567
ROTMetro wrote: post #562

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Most crimes have what's called a 'Mens Rea' element, which means you had to have criminal intent. So before they knew the Taliban uses it, not a crime. Now that they know? Well, kind of a grey area. I bet you could construct an argument that they commited a crime if any NEW feature/code commit somehow benefits the Taliban after they knew the Taliban uses it. It's legal for me to sell someone a car. It's no longer leg…

That makes no sense and I don't think that lines up with liability. Every hammer maker knows some people use hammers as murder weapons. Their continued manufacturing of hammers obviously does not constitute a criminal act. This argument makes no sense, and while I'm not a lawyer, I doubt it actually has legal basis (at least in the US).

Mens rea isn't some radical idea. If hitting specific sales targets on Bushmaster AR-style hammers is tied to your bonus you might end up settling for $73 million when you get caught pushing them too hard and they're used in a bunch of massacres.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by pitaj »

KyleJune wrote: post #580
colechristensen wrote: post #475

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Starting a money laundrymat and expecting not to get charged with a crime is a bit absurd. Pretending that it's totally fine because it's "privacy" not money laundering because crypto is special... is likewise absurd.

I agree, it's like saying the developer of ransomware shouldn't get in trouble for making it if they just made it public instead of using it themselves. The fact that ransomware could be used for legal purposes(pen testing maybe?) isn't really a defense when you make it easily accessible to criminals by making it public.

> it's like saying the developer of ransomware shouldn't get in trouble for making it if they just made it public instead of using it themselves

They really shouldn't.

Neither should any other security researcher who publishes exploits.

Neither should any other developer of cryptographic technology.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

arcticbull wrote: post #476
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? I’m no fanboy but delivering working products pretty much negates all accusations of peddling vaporware.

FSD. CyberTruck. Humanoid Robot. Semi.

You’re confusing marketing hyperbole for vaporware.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by baby »

Tepix wrote: post #29

Wow, just wow. Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? There must be more. Perhaps he also deployed it? That would be a different story. The article is quite murky in that regard. Perhaps they don't know yet. In there is an interesting paragraph explaining what Tornado Cash is: … The ( criminal ) origin of the cryptocurrencies is…

That's quite the claim when we don't know anything about the arrest yet. Come on.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

sph wrote: post #230
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #229

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Dude created a company that built a reusable rocket and you accuse him of selling vaporware.

We're talking about someone with inhuman self-control, and GP is talking about someone that just can't keep his mouth shut and loves being in the spotlight. If the genesis block did contain the image of a trollface (or any other 2008-era meme) instead of "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on Brink of Second Bailout for Banks", I could entertain this theory.

I often wonder what would happen if Satoshi’s wallet would actively start selling.

Not so much on the price but the principles that underpin Bitcoin

I, for the record, remain a believer.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by Eduard »

louwrentius wrote: post #538
dylkil wrote: post #450

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tornado cash doesnt facilitate money laundering, it just obfuscates the source of eth, like converting debit into cash, those funds still need to enter the real system in some "legitimate" manner in order to be considered laundered.

Any kind of mixer is intended to anonymise transactions and that doesn't really have any legitimate, legal use case. Que remarks about 'privacy' in 3,2,1...

GDPR

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by baby »

sph wrote: post #36
Tepix wrote: post #29

Wow, just wow. Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? There must be more. Perhaps he also deployed it? That would be a different story. The article is quite murky in that regard. Perhaps they don't know yet. In there is an interesting paragraph explaining what Tornado Cash is: … The ( criminal ) origin of the cryptocurrencies is…

Satoshi has demonstrated inhuman levels of restraint. The only explanation is that he is dead. The others are that he is not human, or that it's a committee defying Hanlon's razor: i.e. not governed by stupidity like most human affairs, but malice. Both are equally improbable.

The most likely explanation to me is that it was hal finney, who is dead now (presumably).
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