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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by bedast »

geraldwhen wrote: post #442
bedast wrote: post #366

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Late last year going into early this year I had to deal with ASUS RMA with my ROG Flow X13 and the dock. The dock started failing. They wanted both the laptop and the dock sent in, so I sent both in. It took a while, but they got it taken care of. The only problem I ran into is apparently FedEx treated the return as a soccer ball. The sturdy packaging was very damaged, and I'm surprised the damage to the laptop and d…

I bought about 16 refurbished asus gpus last year and 9 were DOA. Some had extreme damage but no packaging damage, making me think they were sent damaged. Requiring a laptop for a dock issue is insane. That is not good service.

It has a proprietary connector so they likely wanted to verify the fault wasn't in that connector.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by ansgri »

suction wrote: post #577
ansgri wrote: post #450

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Good, maybe it was related to the Logitech keyboard. How do you switch layouts, cmd+space? It opened a small window that blocked all input until it auto-closed half a second later.

It has a dedicated key with a globe symbol in the lower left corner. I know what pop-up you are talking about, but that's non-input-blocking, i.e. the language is active when you press the button, and you can continue typing without any wait. It's possible that your iPad is not performant enough to both render that popup and and deal with keystrokes at the same time. I'd recommend the Pro iPads for any kind of seriou…

That was Pro 10.5 2017, it’s still a very fast device. The Logitech keyboard didn’t have this dedicated button and I last used it like a year ago, so I’m glad the issue is nonexistent now with proper hardware. Thanks for the response.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by case »

bedast wrote: post #580
case wrote: post #568

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@bedast if you don't mind my asking, how do you like the Flow X13? It looks like an interesting machine -- thin, light (so it's very portable), but with the option of an external GPU and display.

It's okay. I probably won't do this setup again in the future, though. I think Asus had the right idea, but not the right execution. Future standards may make their proprietary solution unnecessary, also. Not say that's where I think Asus failed on execution. I would have preferred if the laptop didn't have discrete graphics at all to cut back on power requirements on the go. But I get it, they were aiming to try to…

Thanks, I appreciate your reply.

The Framework laptop (which has been in the news lately) looks like it fits into the thin/light category (Alternatively, there are these from Origin (which have Nvidia discrete GPUs):

- https://www.originpc.com/gaming/laptops/evo14-s/ - https://www.originpc.com/workstation/laptops/nt-14/ -- appears to be the same as the Evo14?

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by crakhamster01 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #472
crakhamster01 wrote: post #443

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How do you define "massive hit"? That article cited an estimate of 9M foldable smartphones being sold in 2021 - compared to 1.4B total smartphone sales last year (~1.12B just looking at Android). That's less than 1%, no?

You should compare them to the ultra premium category. These devices aren't competing with the massive majority of cheap androids. Given that Samsung sold around 20-25 million S21s, it is absolutely a massive hit.

Fair point!

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by citizenpaul »

geraldwhen wrote: post #480
elxr wrote: post #389

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> I had to do 5 returns before they finally sent me one in a box that was not already opened. Before this year, I've never had a defective electronic device (laptop, phone, monitor, camera, etc.) or encountered any issue that made me return a device. But a few months back, I had a similarly terrible experience with returns. I bought a new lenovo yoga, it came with a defective spacebar. Got a replacement, it came with…

Doesn’t surprise me at all. Dealing with any company that isn’t apple is a nightmare. I had a razer laptop with display issues. I paid to ship it to California, and 2 months later they shipped me back a laptop with display issues. And the tech was anything but fluent in English. He had a very rudimentary command of the language so I question whether he even understood the problem.

>Dealing with any company that isn’t apple is a nightmare.

Really I found the experience quite the opposite. It was incredibly insulting to have them take the defective iphone i just spend $1200 on and try to make a show of giving me a refurbished unit to replace it. They bring one out in some weird non retail box and make a point that you see them unwrap the cellophane. I asked them WTF this is I want a new phone from a retail box on the shelf over there (so to speak) they made a huff about it but finally conceded to give me an actual new retail phone. Apple is scum. People falling for their dumb little customer service pony show are what keep them in such high profit margins. If any other company did that you would be having a fit that they should give you a discount for getting a used unit.

I shouldn't have to get aggressive with them to force them to give me what I paid full price for. They are at least as bad as any other company and also actively trying to hide it.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by citizenpaul »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #579
citizenpaul wrote: post #578

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They are used and it is intentionally disingenuous to give a customer a used/refurb phone to replace a defective brand new retail price phone. Keep being an apologist though they need people like you to keep those stock prices soaring.

That was a good point, until this: > Keep being an apologist though they need people like you to keep those stock prices soaring. I gather that you have had a bad experience, buying from Apple?

I'm a prickly unlikable tech person that is bad at making people like me, doesn't mean what I say is wrong though.

I commented my experience a couple comments up. The whole show they put on while giving you a refub unit without a discount is insulting.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by suction »

user_named wrote: post #571
suction wrote: post #409

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Guess why - because the East Asian customers want thinness and lightness over power. I know because in Japan, when people saw my Mac (a 2013 MBP), first they were like "oh a Mac, can I try it?", but as soon as they held it, they were extremely surprised by its weight (compared to some 11" Toshiba notebook they preferred). It's understandable because in Japanese and Chinese cities, city people rarely drive but lug aro…

Complete bullshit.

...but enough about your opinions...

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by CRConrad »

jfoster wrote: post #20

Looks fancy. Is this what the market wants? I don't particularly like Apple, but I use a Macbook Pro. I've been keeping an eye out for a non-Apple alternative to a Macbook, but nothing seems to come close in terms of hardware. I don't mean technical specs. I mean a beautiful screen, reasonable dimensions & weight, a really good touchpad, great battery life, etc. A big foldable screen looks cool, but doesn't feel at a…

> I don't particularly like Apple, but I use a Macbook Pro. I've been keeping an eye out for a non-Apple alternative to a Macbook, but nothing seems to come close in terms of hardware.

I used a MacBook Pro for work a few years ago, 2014-18, and really liked the hardware.

Never got the vaunted "It's So Intuitive!" UI hype, though. And from OS "upgrade" experience -- felt more like downgrades, with the ever more limited configurability -- during that time and from everything I've heard since about the constantly shrinking "walled garden" of their ecosystem, I've pretty much come to detest their software side.

Soo... Give Asahi Linux a couple years more to mature, and if in that time they release a fanless (M2, M3?) laptop with a larger (16-17", or, heck, why not even more?) screen, I might be really tempted.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by bedast »

case wrote: post #583
bedast wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's okay. I probably won't do this setup again in the future, though. I think Asus had the right idea, but not the right execution. Future standards may make their proprietary solution unnecessary, also. Not say that's where I think Asus failed on execution. I would have preferred if the laptop didn't have discrete graphics at all to cut back on power requirements on the go. But I get it, they were aiming to try to…

Thanks, I appreciate your reply. The Framework laptop (which has been in the news lately) looks like it fits into the thin/light category ( Alternatively, there are these from Origin (which have Nvidia discrete GPUs): - https://www.originpc.com/gaming/laptops/evo14-s/ - https://www.originpc.com/workstation/laptops/nt-14/ -- appears to be the same as the Evo14?

For me, for the future, I'll likely do something like a Framework without an eGPU and just use a SFF desktop for gaming. I don't do much advanced gaming anymore so I don't need a lot of power for something bigger than SFF.

Just to note - those thunderbolt eGPUs are a bit more limited in performance than Asus's solution because thunderbolt only provides 4 lanes of PCIe, while Asus's port provides 8. So far as I know, USB4 and TB4 didn't expand on this, even with the new PCIe mode. All of that is to say Asus's connector allows for the 3080 Laptop GPU to be used likely near 100%, while TB likely would not be able to, so you'd be limited to lower end graphics. This is what drew me in to the Asus solution.

Maybe it's worth pointing out the eGPU does NOT use the USB-C port on the Flow X13. The proprietary connector includes a USB-C connector along with the PCIe extra connector. The USB-C connector can be used separately. But in terms of the dock, the USB-C port on the connector is used for port expansion (the dock has 4 USB-A 3 ports, ethernet, and power, along with the display outputs).

This is where I think things could end up deprecating Asus's solution. Future TB may provide higher end PCIe (ie: upgrading to a higher level, adding more lanes). There may be other standards based technologies coming as well.

I could probably be fine with a 4060 in a TB enclosure in the future. But at the moment, my needs are met, so I'm not planning out my future technology stack just yet.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by hombre_fatal »

happyopossum wrote: post #497
hombre_fatal wrote: post #322

Folding tech for phones wasn't quite as interesting, just a small cherry on top of something we already accommodate. Fine. But folding tech for 17" screens is amazing because of how massive those screens are. They are completely unwieldy in the normal unfolding form factor, unlikely to fit in your backpack.

> They are completely unwieldy in the normal unfolding form factor, unlikely to fit in your backpack. 50k 16" MacBook users at my company would disagree with you...

I have a 16" MacBook too, but an extra inch of diagonal (and anything bigger than that) is surprisingly bigger and gets unwieldy fast.

I wouldn't be surprised if 16" is the biggest you can bring to market that hits enough trade-offs for people to buy it. Plenty of people think that's too big.

My point is it will be interesting to see if good folding tech, by changing the nature of these trade-offs, can open up the market for larger laptop screens.

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