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Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by tekknik »

Bouncingsoul1 wrote: post #139
nine_k wrote: post #54

I tried to learn why BT is still somehow painful to use, and the article basically does not have an answer. My take from comments here and my experience: - Makers of BT devices can't agree on many important common things (easy discovery / pairing mode, priority, etc), and have little incentive to seek agreement. It's like phone chargers before USB. - Makers of BT devices tend to cut corners and/or add not-entirely-st…

/Opinion: "Makers of BT devices can't agree on many important common things (easy discovery / pairing mode, priority, etc)." => I think it is not the creators of the devices (peripherals), it is in my expierence the SmartPhones (Apple/Google) => iOS won't let you discover BLE Devices which have only generic or costum services/characteristics => iOS will hide parts of advertisment/discovery data from app developers =>…

Why is this written with slashes and fat arrows?

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by tekknik »

jacquesm wrote: post #69
nine_k wrote: post #54

I tried to learn why BT is still somehow painful to use, and the article basically does not have an answer. My take from comments here and my experience: - Makers of BT devices can't agree on many important common things (easy discovery / pairing mode, priority, etc), and have little incentive to seek agreement. It's like phone chargers before USB. - Makers of BT devices tend to cut corners and/or add not-entirely-st…

> It's like phone chargers before USB. No, it's like phone chargers before EU regulators stepped in.

I for one will be very happy when the EU forces my US iPhone to drop lightning.

/s

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by SilasX »

cnity wrote: post #574
SilasX wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, what was the humorous writing there? Seemed like a pretty direct statement of the facts of their case. The fact that underlying events are funny doesn't say anything about the style of writing, and I don't see any stylistic choices that were going for "deliberately humorous writing", let alone ones that show a gift (though of course the poster might show it in other contexts!).

I think it's a good question. > Seemed like a pretty direct statement of the facts of their case That's exactly what tickled me. He could have just said "My car keeps playing the same album when I adjust the console" but chose to focus on elements of the story that are vivid. He let the funny aspects of the situation shine through specifically _because_ he picked interesting elements to state directly. Anyway, I don'…

Are we taking about the same comment? We’re taking about one that mentions an alarm, not an album.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32163781

And yes, I get that it rutina the fun to break down the logic too much, but you specifically complimented a style, and claimed the persona generally “had a gift” when there was no obVious style that made the comment funny, just the fact of the alarm being long obsolete for its intended purpose.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by rcv »

blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

I have a 2010 Toyota Prius, and I've intermittently had the exact same problem. Except my song was "Oogum Boogum" - fortunately it was the Alex Chilton version which I still like.

My latest struggle is that my phone now plays audio at 50% speed through my cars bluetooth. Spotify, Youtube, etc - it doesn't matter. It seems to play 50% speed super low pitch for about a second and then skip forward in the audio stream about a second. The only thing that remedies this is to reboot my car.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by devilbunny »

richbradshaw wrote: post #577
NavinF wrote: post #506

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> iOS thinking it's being helpful so that when I "plug" headphones (either physically, bluetoothically, or carplayly) I presumably want to play music There’s gotta be something else going on because I’ve never had this happen over the last decade. I’m pretty sure the car is sending a play command to the phone every time it connects.

I’ve had tons of cars and only seen this behaviour in one - think was Citroen.

Mercedes does this. A Ford that I rented last year did so as well.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by aliqot »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #489
aliqot wrote: post #183

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The market wants what the other segment of the market has, that's the purpose of marketing. Phones with no jacks, like laptops with no i/o, is something impractical that people self-justify because of the logo and the clout it affords. You're part of the in group, you made it, you have achieved sameness, you have an iPhone . Airpods are just about the worst headphones money can buy and people fight over them, despite…

> you have achieved sameness, you have an iPhone. You mean "....you have iPhone". Gotta get the weird marketing right if you want to be in the club.

I hope the community will find it in their hearts to be swayed by my humble appeal, I mean no harm. Who will help the widow's son?

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by pxmpxm »

blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

Wow definitely bringing back repressed memories for me - my audi s8 for whatever reason would refuse to stream via a2dp unless I had some music actually on the phone, in which case it would auto play said music after some random delay. So my brilliant solution was a 5 second silent mp3 loaded on my phone - it would keep the bt gods happy and i could switch to a2dp at my leisure. This was perfect, until someone decided to force deploy the same half naked men on my phone.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by ranger_danger »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #163
ranger_danger wrote: post #44

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Your experience is NOT typical. I have had random connectivity issues with every single Bluetooth device I have ever used. My biggest complaint is bluetooth gamepads. They simply never work right for me... always registering phantom presses or just none at all. I always have to hold it above my head for it to work right which is unusable.

Xbox one wireless gamepad and ps4/5 gamepads are the most used out there and they seem to work fine, but I suspect these might not be using Bluetooth when connected to a console

I only use the xbone pad with a PC using Bluetooth.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

ranger_danger wrote: post #588
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xbox one wireless gamepad and ps4/5 gamepads are the most used out there and they seem to work fine, but I suspect these might not be using Bluetooth when connected to a console

I only use the xbone pad with a PC using Bluetooth.

I use the xbone on PC but it's connected using the microsoft official USB wifi adapter, I don't think that's bluetooth

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Post by funcDropShadow »

jefe_ wrote: post #185
blackhaz wrote: post #91

My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

Similar thing would happen in my Toyota, the song 'Afraid' by Yellowcard would play every time I turned on the car. Realized it was playing the first song in my library. In Apple Music there is a song called 'A a a a a Very Good Song (Silent Track)' by artist Samir Mezrahi, that contains 10 minutes of silence. I added that to my library and now that song plays when I turn on my car (although this autoplay only happen…

That is the best workaround for a software problem, I've ever heard.
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