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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Underlying your point there is an assumption that Chinese government = American government in it's misuse of data etc. I don't think this is true. And I've run a privacy advocate organisation and I'm a complete Snowden fanboy. But if I had to choose between giving my data to the CCP or the American government, the choice is easy. Even though a lot of data collection was done without warrants in the USA, there's been…

> Even though a lot of data collection was done without warrants in the USA, there's been a lot of blowback...

Was there? Who went to jail for it? Did anyone even get fired?

James Clapper lied to Congress[1] about data collection, the only reason we even know is a leaker who can never return to the US for his "crimes". Meanwhile Clapper served out the rest of Obama's presidency and now has a cushy job at CNN[2].

If this "blowback", accountability is dead.

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/2013/07/02/james-clapper-admits-he-...

[2] https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/23/cnn-msnbc-15-spooks-mccab...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Not insurmountable, just very expensive. You're describing a worse user experience too. Matrix probably isn't a good example. That's an impressive project with great developers. Most companies don't have equivalent staff, nor the budget to hire. > publicly sharing all code that touches it That's a huge request.

If an industry has proven repeatedly they can't be trusted not to stalk people and lie about it followed by being recklessly irresponsible with data and lying about breaches, then it's the bare minimum that should be enforced. It would also encourage the innovation that you're so keen on because users wouldn't be trapped and you couldn't sit on one feature forever. You'd have to have an ongoing value proposition like…

I agree something should be done, but strongly disagree with this specific approach.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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> Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook In case you hadn't heard (I presume you have, us being on HN and all), there is some movement within the EU towards that end

Blatantly false. Completely unrealistic. Additional regulation towards privacy perhaps - affecting all similar (American, Chinese, European etc.) platforms. But not an outright ban. Facebook threatening to close their site in Europe because of regulations is not the same as EU banning them.

EU countries are banning Google already. Never say never

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Reporting the actual data is not "downplaying". And the notion that the US media downplays school shootings is about as wrong as you could possibly be. Have you ever watched US news? School shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks. "Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone" These things happen due to the same kind of fear mongering and sta…

Well, idk about you, but I hear of at least one school shooting in the US every week. Statistically, the numbers might not be much, but it sure caused 95% of schools to enforce active shooter drills, no? > A majority of the US population supports stronger gun control. Unfortunately, in our political system, that's not sufficient to make it happen. Isn't US a democracy? If majority of the population supports stronger…

That's because the media is sensationalist and uses fear mongering to drive up engagement and revenue.

Also, it's a big country. When you have a population of hundreds of millions, a lot of things that are extremely unlikely to ever impact an individual citizen will nonetheless happen on a regular basis somewhere in the country.

"Isn't US a democracy? If majority of the population supports stronger gun control, it should be easy to pass."

If only it were that simple.

"Anyway, I don't mean to put you on the defensive. I understand that you love your country."

I love some things and hate other things. I just think the discussion should be based on facts rather than emotion and hyperbole.

I agree that school shootings are a problem here and would like to see stronger gun control as much as anyone, but it isn't helpful to exaggerate the (very low) level of danger kids face in school.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#585

One interesting aspect of this case is that, should Apple and Google follow through and force TikTok off their App Stores - many people will feel quite "disenfranchised" due to the popularity of the App. This would force many who would otherwise never think about the consequences of these walled garden ecosystems and their lack of control, to suddenly have to do so.

As stupid as the idea is I'm hoping it happens for this reason. Maybe people will realize the importance of truly owning their devices. It would be pretty ironic if that were to happen over TikTok, though.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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I am curious of people's opinion of the likelihood that the app stores take any action.

The companies running the app stores are taking a cut of the ad revenue. They won't do anything until it becomes illegal not to.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Because it's US vs China and companies like Meta/Google/Twitter are already treated poorly in China? Ppl are already asking these kind of questions even long before this, why should we allow companies such as Tiktok while so many 'Western' tech companies are banned in China?

Are they? Which companies are those?

You must be living under the rock if you don't know many products has been banned in China for many years, notably but not restricted to Facebook, Google, Twitter. https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/10-popular-apps-and-we...

Apple's data in China is handled by China government affiliated entity https://technode.com/2018/01/10/apple-icloud-guizhou/ . China's typical play book in tech field is to have the original products banned and have their own copycat flourish.

They are already NOT playing fair.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Всё будет хорошо скоро - мир меняется быстро, и есть возможность работать в любом месте ты хочешь. Счастливо тебе, и если тебе надо помочь, послай мне dm, не знаю что могу делать, но могу стараться помогать. Прости за мой плохой русский, меня научали мальчики когда я жил в Украине на обмене в средней школе.

Interestingly, HN guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) say nothing about a comment needing to be in English.

For that I am glad. Let the community determine the languages being spoken.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Could you give some examples? The US has certainly abused its power (notoriously, in the 60s and 70s at the height of the Cold War), but "constant" appears to be stretching historical fact to fit a narrative.

Are you forgetting that the US has been actively involved in non-stop wars around the world for the last 20 years? And before these wars started, it was doing "special operations" in eastern Europe, parts of Asia and Africa? And in Latin America it never really stoped its coups, military dictatorships and the such, especially in central America. And then of course there was the "cold" war and all the crimes in South…

Look at the hundred years before that. Everyone was fighting, all the time, not just one country with roughly one skirmish (by historical standards) at any single point.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#590
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I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Exactly right. The don't want anyone doing what they are busy doing. The nerve of some countries!!! We've away some much privacy just for the lols. We need laws and penalties that give us back our freedom. Unfortunately, given politicians continual demand for back doors that will "only be used legally with a warrant", I see little hope that things will change.
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