Why would I want to learn a new editor, if it is going to be sunset -- there are many great options out there that are unlikely to disappear or be unsupported? Meaning Github's new editor has to offer something unique and great.
Sunsetting Atom
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Funny how people are so different. I have never once thought that I needed my text editor to look good. Stare at anything long enough and your brain isn't even going to process it anymore! fwiw I use Linux and suspect that's a big part of why Macs never appealed to me.
While I am a Mac user, I've used Vim a lot, so I don't want to make it sound too much like I demand text editors be visually stunning works of art. :) Code initially looked just kind of clunky and toylike to me, in a way that Atom -- and Mac native editors like TextMate and BBEdit -- didn't. It's a little hard to explain. Code still isn't my favorite editor, but it's probably my favorite cross-platform editor.
For me, it’s the noise and clutter — every time I spin it up, it feels like VS Code is demanding my attention in multiple popups, and there’s a new tab or button I’ve never seen before with some mystical purpose, and the bottom bar is some jarring color that makes me feel like something is broken.
IntelliJ IDEs feel similar — sometimes I’ll open them up and after upgrading several plugins and dismissing a bunch of popups and “what’s new” dialogs, I don’t even remember what I was trying to do in the first place.
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#583Glad that sunsetting of emacs is not going to happen any time soon :)
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#584“Sunsetting” an open source project seems… unfitting? Hand it off to the community, look for new maintainers, donate it to the Apache Retirement Home for Veteran Projects, sure. But saying that you’ve decided to “sunset” or “archive” it, telling users to plan for their migration, seems counter to the notion that open source software forms part of a commons - something that Github, of all companies, should understand.
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#585Founder of Atom here. We're building the spiritual successor to Atom over at https://zed.dev . We learned a lot with Atom and had a great time, but it always fell short of our vision. With Zed we're going to get it right. Written in Rust, custom native UI framework, engineered to be collaborative. Just starting our private alpha this week, so the timing of this announcement feels quite fitting. Here's a talk I gave l…
Interesting! I just wanted to let you know my perspective, which is probably quite unique. I started using atom pre-1.0, a long, long time ago. I immediately jumped to vscode when I realised it existed. The reason is a bit weird; it's the find-in-files/project (c-s-F/Ctrl+Shift+F) sidebar search/replace feature. Compared to the Atom (and from what I can see in the youtube talk, zed has the same "problem") which opens…
I think this is powerful to everyone. I use that feature too and didn't even realize it was unique to VS Code. VS Code is really good in having a lot of features but not cluttering the main window.
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I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most projects started by some form of organization end up being dead after handing them off to the community. That is, unless they make their code from the ground up to be as most readable and modular as possible. I remember many projects made by Sun Microsystems that just died when Oracle took over, even if the code is still there.
The history of Zulip is one of my favorite counter-examples to this trend. They have seen great growth and success since spinning off from Dropbox! https://zulip.com/history/
Not really a counterexample as zulip started life *outside* dropbox.
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#587What recommendations do you all have for alternatives?
https://github.com/lapce/lapce is slowly becoming my favourite editor specially for writing Rust.
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> I code mostly in domain-specific, esoteric, private languages, no stdlib or docs, and no online resources to learn from. Jesus, who are you?
My guess based in my experience would a MUMPS developer for someone like Epic or Meditech. That code gives me nightmares whenever I see it.
What, like $$foo(3,4,@bar,"baz")?
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I've tried too many times already to use the Jetbrains IDEs, because I know they're great, specially about the IntelliSense stuff, autocompletion, suggestions, etc. But I just can't. My fingers are just too used to vscode, and I can do everything I need to. I feel like vscode is better at everything, and faster, except for the IntelliSense stuff. But lately I've tried GitHub Copilot and that just compensates it soooo…
Does VS Code support more refactoring and code generation now? I last used it heavily over a year ago, and at the time it seemed like anything beyond moving files and renaming things wasn't really doable. Meanwhile, in JetBrains's software I can extract and inline variables and functions, change signatures, split things out into other files, and more. I think I tried a plugin or two which were supposed to handle thos…
Depends on the language LSP. From my experience, it works VERY well for JS, reasonably well for Go and not that well for python. Python allows you to refactor variables if it knows the scope of it but won't work if you use star imports and moving files doesn't work at all
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#590Founder of Atom here. We're building the spiritual successor to Atom over at https://zed.dev . We learned a lot with Atom and had a great time, but it always fell short of our vision. With Zed we're going to get it right. Written in Rust, custom native UI framework, engineered to be collaborative. Just starting our private alpha this week, so the timing of this announcement feels quite fitting. Here's a talk I gave l…
Please, please, please, make it infinitely pluggable from the start. That's the strength of Atom and similar editors. That anybody can create a plugin either for something very niche or just connect some huge amazing tooling directly to the editor.
If you can make editor in Rust pluggable or scriptable with JS, Lua, C#, Python and whatever someone knows and is comfortable with you got a winner.