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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by AviationAtom »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

I find this most interesting. I feel Apple went to Intel chips originally to be able to offer users the best of both worlds: both Windows and OS X. Naturally Bootcamp came along to bring that functionality. Now that Apple is back to a RISC chip, what is stopping them from offering a RISC version of Bootcamp? Windows runs on ARM chips, as do many distributions of Linux, so why not officially offer the ability to run alternate OSes?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by julienb_sea »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #315
DonHopkins wrote: post #137

I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

Am I the only one who just ignored the touchbar and didn't take it as a personal affront?

I've had a touchbar on my work macbook for ~3 years and can't say I care at all. I use the touchbar controls without issue, the non-physical escape key is irrelevant to me (actually I find press-and-hold on the virtual escape key to be in some ways more pleasant). I use the touchbar zoom controls pretty regularly to leave meetings, I use the touchbar screen lock button probably 8x per day, its completely fine.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by babypuncher »

seabriez wrote: post #564
babypuncher wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes. HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory; Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper. https://www.wa…

That machine is barely cheaper, has a much worse display, gets half the battery life, comes pre-loaded with bloatware, and you have to contend with HP's legendarily poor build quality.

This is not a comparable machine. It may win in a drag race, but there is way more to a laptop than FLOPS.

And I don't even use a Mac. I primarily run Windows and Linux. I'm not some brainwashed cultist like you think.

EDIT: And the CPU is still considerably slower than the M1[1], so it doesn't even win the hypothetical drag race.

1: https://www.notebookcheck.net/i7-1195G7-vs-M1-vs-M1-Max_1318...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by mixmastamyk »

genewitch wrote: post #353
stjohnswarts wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of anger you're packing around there for an operating system lol

Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition™

I do remember seething at hourly BSoD with Win98, now that you mention it. Like that one video where the guy starts attacking the computer.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by LordDragonfang »

seabriez wrote: post #564
babypuncher wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes. HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory; Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper. https://www.wa…

>i7-1195G7

That's an undesirable generation that lacks efficiency cores and gets barely two thirds the performance of the lowest specced M1, and has 13h of standby time compared to the Apples 18h of video playback. Not remotely comparable, and wildly overpriced comparitively.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-1195G7-vs-Appl...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by yulaow »

opan wrote: post #442
ccouzens wrote: post #171

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just the one external screen (two screens total including internal). https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ People have gotten round it by connecting additional screens using display link adapters.

Can you use two external screens if you disable the internal screen? That's what I do now with a ThinkPad.

No sadly you can't

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by stetrain »

enragedcacti wrote: post #452
stetrain wrote: post #362

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Yeah, I wish Valve and Apple would make nice (like they did back in the day for Steam on Mac) enough to: 1) Update all the first-party Valve games to 64-bit since the 32-bit binaries are no longer supported 2) Bring Proton support to MacOS, which is what Steam uses to run Windows games on Linux and the Steam Deck console.

Apple would probably need to do the heavy lifting on (2) by either adding Vulkan support to their GPU drivers or by adding Metal support to Proton.

Yep. It would be awesome, but I feel like Apple wouldn't be very enthusiastic about putting in effort for an emulated solution over native games.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by bhtru »

seabriez wrote: post #564
babypuncher wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes. HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory; Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper. https://www.wa…

It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but if you must:

- 8GB on the Air is not the same as it'd 8GB on the HP, macOS + Apple silicon's memory efficiency means it can do more with less.

- The new M2 Air has a better screen by resolution, size, and by brightness (400 vs 500 nits). I wasn't able to find colour gamut specs for the HP Spectre.

- By all metrics battery wise the M2 Air handily beats the Spectre.

- The Spectre comes with bloatware like McAfee LiveSafe and other HP software that aren't essential.

- In ever benchmark (real world and simulated) the Intel® Core™ i7-1195G7 loses to the M1 so it'd be reasonable to assume it'd lose to the M2 as well. I mean it's a 10nm process versus a 5nm so not at all surprising. In some benches the difference is nearly 2x in favour of the M1 which is astounding. Again, we're not even comparing the i7-1195G7 to the M2.

- The wireless chips between are both (802.11ax) so they're on equal footing there.

- The M2 Air has a higher resolution webcam.

- The Spectre does not have fast charging.

- The Spectre has a dual mic array compared to the triple of the M2 Air's. We haven't gotten real world tests of M2 Air yet for it's video conferencing capabilities but if we use the M1 Air's capabilities as a base point then it's safe to safe it'll be better than the Spectre's.

Last year I had a friend who used the M1 Air as a stopgap (from his old Intel MBP) until the 2021 Pros came out and it performed amazingly with a heavy load. I'm talking about running Photoshop+Illustrator simultaneously along with VS Code and node server while have dozens of tabs open all on the 8GB of RAM. I'm positive the Spectre could do the same but the thing is his never made a peep in noise because it literally couldn't since it didn't have any fans.

Hardware is more than it's basal specs, it's about how holistically said specs integrate with one another to create a unified device.

To be frank, comparing a now three year old machine that it's original MSRP is $1600 USD now on sale for $1400 to a 2022 $1500 machine is a bit silly. Even more so when you look closer to the details.

Sources:

https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/specs/

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Spectre-Laptop-Computer-13-5-W...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by phendrenad2 »

hit8run wrote: post #33

Where is the new Mac Pro? Where is the upgrade to the XDR Display? Where is the M2 Mac Mini? What a shit show.

Shitshow? Hardly. This is business, you only release the products that sell. Presumably the Mac Pro and Mac Minis aren't selling. Might have something to do with PCs doing all of the same stuff for less money. Packing power into a thin & cool laptop is where Apple shines now.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by pram »

seabriez wrote: post #564
babypuncher wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes. HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory; Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper. https://www.wa…

This laptop is literal dogshit lol
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