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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by morpheos137 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

Bodily autonomy is important but everybody dies and worms crawl through their bones and then whether they took to the stupid vaccine or not or wore the stupid mask or not does not matter. They can't resist the worms.

The worst effect of the covid pandemic has been whipping up opposing mass hysterias.

Both sides are wrong. Take the shot or don't if you want to. Suffer or enjoy the consequences of your decision. Nothing in life is justified now. Nothing in life was justified ever. Nothing in life needs to be justified.

The whole universe doesn't even need to exist. Instead there could just be nothing. But we worry about our stupid vaccine fears and mask fears while the feral human is increasingly domesticated into docile livestock.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by yonaguska »

SECProto wrote: post #505
kerneloftruth wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution?

> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act) > Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns. > So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. No, anyon…

https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

Man arrested for honking

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by cato_the_elder »

COGlory wrote: post #577
sherry-sherry wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is not in any way comparable with this issue. Do not try and force some 'common ground' argument where is isn't one.

Agreed. The anti-abortion argument claims that bodily autonomy should be violated because not doing so supposedly results in the direct death of a defenseless child. The pro-vax mandate argument claims that bodily autonomy should be violated because it supposedly prevents a 0.05% chance of death of an innocent person. (usually adult)

:-) I just noticed that we posted almost the same thing, at almost the same time.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by totony »

lovecg wrote: post #351
galosh wrote: post #337

Insightful thread on how (worst case) this might escalate: https://twitter.com/man_integrated/status/149329779603169281... I'm guessing the more likely option is that the trucker community become "conscientious objectors" and refuse to work, in the hope that their number will cripple services. Does sitting at home still count as terrorism? Because I'd happily fund that

So, a strike? That was always allowed. Given they’re not supported by the actual unions and are a pretty small fraction of truckers anyway, good luck to them.

Couldn't they theoretically be forced to work with the emergency act? AFAIK it could be argued that they are providing essential services

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Post by jensensbutton »

Karishma1234fff wrote: post #542
hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

Yeah. Somehow "What is good for Delhi, is not good for Ottawa" and actually in case of Ottawa the protests are about freedom and actually peaceful. (The protests in India were demanding preferential treatment to certain groups and protection from market forces). I am not surprised, this is the usual hypocrisy of the far left wing do gooders of the western world. Anyone who opposes them is a "violent fascist" even if…

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Post by jsjsbdkj »

armagon wrote: post #332

> 5:05 p.m. > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has invoked the Emergencies Act as a “last resort” to bolster the police response to convoy demonstrators and to “bring the situation fully under control.” I really feel like there were a number of "resorts" that could've been taken before this "last" one. Engaging in dialogue with the truckers and not inflaming the situation by calling the truckers names are at the…

The Ottawa Police have refused to enforce the law for 3 weeks. They've been letting this go on unchecked. The mayor is a former Conservative MPP who is not running for re-election, so he's completely checked out. The police chief is a retired former deputy who got passed over to lead Toronto's police force and came out of retirement to try and burnish his reputation so he can get into politics.

The province is governed by a right-winger who will not do anything to upset his base. They've been pointing fingers at the municipal police, and vice-versa, and refusing to act.

The truckers are a very small group with no cohesive messaging. It's a bunch of dudes having a party and yelling about how they want to overthrow the government and install JFK Jr or whatever. There is no dialogue that would de-escalate them, it would only legitimize them.

The people of Canada have overwhelmingly stated that they want the occupation to end. They're sick of seeing people desecrate monuments, steal from the homeless, harass vulnerable people, shit in the streets, and make noise 24/7. The truckers have started taking their flags down when they're driving in town because everyone hates them and they don't want to be seen outside the red zone.

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Post by rayiner »

JamisonM wrote: post #548
thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

Their stated demands are the dissolution of the current democratically elected government, they've conducted educational seminars about the dangers of vaccination full of outlandishly false information. Anyone can believe anything they like but none are required to be so credulous as to believe that the protests are simply about vaccine mandates given the large quantity of published evidence that the organizers and p…

> Their stated demands are the dissolution of the current democratically elected government

“Dissolution of the government” has innocuous meaning in a parliamentary system, where “the government” refers to the executive authority of the current party or coalition in power in parliament: https://sencanada.ca/en/sencaplus/how-why/what-is-dissolutio.... It’s about as dramatic as a recall election in certain American states. Maybe even less so because dissolution of the government technically happens after every Parliamentary election

You’re deliberately using unfamiliarity with the term to suggest the truckers are calling for overthrow of the governing institutions of the country—what Americans mean when they refer to “the government.”

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Post by sul_tasto »

sherry-sherry wrote: post #561
thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

Abortion is not in any way comparable with this issue. Do not try and force some 'common ground' argument where is isn't one.

It seems to me both pro-choice advocates and Canadian truckers are saying, “Get your laws off my body.” The idea that a person belongs to herself or himself is fundamental to both arguments.

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Post by [deleted] »

oldskewlcool wrote: post #558

Trudeau, like many members of the political class, treat the messiness of democracy as a bug when it is in fact a feature. The core purpose of liberal democracy, understood by any political science undergrad, is to _limit_ power - the tyranny of the majority, the executive branch etc... Yet this is poorly understood by a class of individuals who exclusively do politics as a way of earning a living (ex. Trudeau, Liz T…

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