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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwaway894345 »

defaultname wrote: post #277
blast wrote: post #266

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It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

It is literally, by every definition, an occupation. People came in and brought homes with them (sleeper cabs, RVs, etc). Now they have set up permanent structures such as kitchens and other facilities (today they brought in a sauna), and have been stating repeatedly that they are in for the long haul. There is a reason that's called an occupation. A protest is normally a discomfort for the protester. Enduring the el…

Maybe, but if the popular discourse doesn’t use the word “occupation” for the likes of CHAZ, then I think it’s fair to avoid it here as well. We should strive toward fairness and away from partisan favoritism IMHO.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by culi »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #544
culi wrote: post #539

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> One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim…

How is working with the government toward your goal "overthrowing the government"?

> create a governing committee

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by culi »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #554
culi wrote: post #539

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> One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim…

I started a reply but realize I was just repeating what I said before. This isn't radical. Organized protests for hundreds of years have demanded public written concession. This is the norm and what organized protest looks like

They want to create a governing committee that is above the power of the government... that's pretty far from "demanding public written concession"

That's creating an alternative government

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by barry-cotter »

pseudo0 wrote: post #491
philistine wrote: post #304

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Yeah, we do not have what you think of in terms of freedom of speech in Canada. A private corporation using their insured property to audibly harass a city and blockade streets is not considered freedom of speech in Canada. Take away their toys and let them hold a protest with their boots and parkas.

Freedom of expression features prominently in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is included in Section 2, which details fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly. It strains credulity to argue that this protest somehow exceeds protest norms when bullhorns, drums, honking, and other noisemaking has been a key part of protests for decades.

The notwithstanding clause kind of renders all those rights and freedoms a joke. The legislature can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, just like in every other country, albeit with less pretense about it.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by 16012022 »

krapp wrote: post #51
16012022 wrote: post #41

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The point stands. No private company should be neutral.

The point doesn't stand for much, it's just your personal opinion.

Well, I commented it. Ofc it is my opinion, who else would it be?

It also happens to be how reality works. Private organizations have literally always chosen sides. It’s how the world works, and I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your likes. Nothing you can do about it mate.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

bdowling wrote: post #504
PierceJoy wrote: post #447

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> Losing one's job is generally understood to be a catastrophic outcome for people in our society, especially when someone has been doing that job for a long time (and perhaps also doesn't have the educational level to get another job at anything close to the same compensation) I haven't seen any mass protests about at-will employment. Why not? > It follows that "do X or you're fired" is a form of force or coercion.…

> I haven't seen any mass protests about at-will employment. Why not? The cases are not comparable because if an at-will employee loses a job with one employer, the employee can often find a job with another employer. > Vaccines have been required in other jobs, tests have been required for jobs, and yet no mass protests. Why not? The cases are not comparable because, as far as I know, there is no testing option in t…

> The cases are not comparable because if an at-will employee loses a job with one employer, the employee can often find a job with another employer.

And so can anyone fired for not begin vaccinated, since there are many more jobs that don't require a vaccine than those that do.

> The cases are not comparable because, as far as I know, there is no testing option in the Canadian regulation.

It depends which jobs we're talking about. Make so mistake, this "trucker" protest has been coopted by basically anyone mad about vaccines. So for instance Alberta healthcare workers do not have to get vaccinated, but are subject to periodic testing instead.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by elipsey »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #513
elipsey wrote: post #460

I must be the only person here who doesn't already know about these trucking protests; I'm having trouble establishing the basic facts of what is in dispute. Who exactly is required to be vaccinated? It seems like the fraction of truckers who engaged in cross-border trucking with the US were subject to a Canadian federal vaccination mandate, which applied to some workers in the transportation sector as well as many f…

The requirement was not dropped, I'm surprised Reuters hasn't corrected that article. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/in-for-a-rough-winter... https://www.bing.com/search?q=canada+trucker+vaccine+require...

So according to these sources, Canadian truckers don't have to be vaccinated. They just have to quarantine if they have symptomatic COVID.

The first link says "On Wednesday evening, a Canadian Border Services Agency spokesperson said truckers would remain exempt from vaccination, testing and quarantine rules — a reversal from what the government had said publicly just hours before."

My top hit on the search is a primary government source stating that: "A Canadian truck driver who is not fully vaccinated can't be denied entry into Canada—Canadian citizens, persons registered as Indians under the Indian Act and permanent residents may enter Canada by right. [...] Any individual who is symptomatic upon arrival to Canada will be directed to a Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) official and will be directed to isolate for 10 days from the time they enter Canada. As of January 15, 2022, unvaccinated or partially vaccinated foreign national truck drivers, coming to Canada from the US by land, will be directed back to the United States."

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

cfcosta wrote: post #531
PierceJoy wrote: post #463

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> And this is forced through other means that aren’t physical - but it is still forced. No, it is not forced. It is a choice. > For example consider this: “There are other jobs so quit complaining when we racially discriminate against you.” Race is a protected class. Vaccination status is not unless you have a document medical reason.

Except it is, check the Nuremberg tribunal case.

Can you point me to the part of the Canadian Human Rights Act that defines vaccination status as a protected class?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

jtbayly wrote: post #499
PierceJoy wrote: post #488

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> I neither believe it is truthful to call it "occupying the nations capito People who live in Ottawa disagree. > To help you along, I also wouldn't be surprised for a charity to redirect 100% of its income to its executives. But that wouldn't mean I would say it was fine for them to do that, even though the reason I gave the money was for clean wells in Africa. That's what you're defending. This is a textbook strawm…

Look, I've already explained that I'm not surprised. You are claiming I'm lying? Or what? Also my example is not a straw man. It's a simple analogy. This will be my last comment. The thing I'm trying to address is your claim that it's just fine and dandy for them to redirect all the money to charities because that's equivalent to what the original organizers were going to do anyway. It's not. It's so obviously not ap…

> The thing I'm trying to address is your claim that it's just fine and dandy for them to redirect all the money to charities because that's equivalent to what the original organizers were going to do anyway. It's not.

Not just any charities, charities that were going to be chosen by the organizers, which is in line with the agreement the organizers accepted. I honestly don't understand how you can believe something nefarious was going on when they were following the agreement that was made with the organizers.

> It's so obviously not appropriate that GFM immediately realized they could never get away with that and changed their minds and decided to refund all of the money instead. So I don't know why you're even bothering to defend their original plan.

That's one interpretation. A much simpler interpretation is that they realized it's 100x easier to just refund the money instead of having to vet every charity chosen by the organizers to make sure the money wasn't being embezzled or used for actual nefarious purposes. Go head and look into the organizers of this protest. They're overt white supremacists.

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