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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by klagermkii »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditization. If problems show up I'm happy to have legislation introduced to tackle those, such as not allowing food with known toxins to be sold.

It's like any tool. I support cars when they're used to deliver on the benefits that they can provide; getting people from point A to point B, and giving them the freedom to move between arbitrary locations. When they're used to run pedestrians over then I don't support that usage, and I will support legislation that limits the use of the tool in that manner.

Likewise if the free market is used as a way to reduce the availability of content, I can be against that while still supporting it as a guiding concept.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by zzbzq »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I would turn your first sentence around on you. I can't understand how anyone who sees the garbage we're inundated with in all forms of media could be a proponent of an unfettered free market economy. We used to have laws to help ensure we have media we can trust. Then they repealed those laws and we got Fox News... and, incomprehensibly, it got steadily worse from there. The current situation is untenable.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by chasing »

istinetz wrote: post #522
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I'll try to explain why I have an issue with what is happening here. Yes, I agree with almost everything you said. However, the issue is that platforms are consolidated. Depending on your chosen format of content, there are only 2-3 viable platforms to reach people - and for some types of content, only one. And if those very small number of platforms decide to, or are pressured to, delist content or a content creator…

Then maybe Joe Rogan shouldn’t have sold his podcast for a large pile of money. Because in doing so he let someone else have control over his speech.

If this is a battle you want to fight, I might suggest starting with the book banning efforts by Republicans (the actual government) across many states that’s going on right now.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by fumar »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

How is the open web dead? Are you saying that private companies acting in their benefit hurts the open web? You can still create any website or any content you desire who anyone can access. The open web didn’t provide reach by default. That is why directories sprang up followed by search engines. If anything the open web was easier to navigate 25 years ago and heavily reliant on word of mouth.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by foogazi »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

1. The private corporation “decided” it wanted to broadcast JRE

2. X happened

3. Private corporation decided it didn’t want to broadcast some JRE episodes

People are interested to in what X is

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by codeivore »

bandyaboot wrote: post #81

Saw this clip of Joe Rogan criticizing vaccine skeptics near the beginning of the pandemic. He calls people who think vaccines are dangerous “whackos”. Seems he lost his way. https://twitter.com/kingbullyo/status/1489666078431236100?s=...

there's lots of money in lies

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kzrdude »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Do intellectual property rights factor into their contract? I would assume not, that JR is still the copyright holder.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by coldtea »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

>I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

Perhaps they have other principles too, not just the free market as the be-all end-all.

Not to mention that this isn't the free market operating freely -- it's corporations being told what to do by pressure groups (as opposed to customers of those corporations voting with their wallets, e.g. by not listening to Rogan).

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

Generally, there might be cases where I agree with you. But this is very different. Spotify paid Joe Rogan 100 million for the podcast. They (probably) own all the rights to this podcast. If they don't like it anymore they can do whatever they want with it. If I buy a TV and don't like it anymore I can also set it on fire. If you don't want this to happen to your TV, don't sell it to me.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kzrdude »

aneil wrote: post #521
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

It was Joe's content to do with as he pleased, and his decision was to sell it and allow someone else to do with it as they pleased. That's simple enough, but it's also simplistic because it assumes that property rights are the only thing we should care about. Which value is more important - property rights (which depend on socialized services like justice and enforcement) or free speech (which thrive by removing reg…

> free speech (which thrive by removing regulation)

How do we know this?

Many markets show that they work best with a goldilocks-level of just-right regulation, and the level depends on the market.

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