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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by moneywoes »

sgt101 wrote: post #515
digisign wrote: post #505

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Unfortunately, still don't know what you're talking about. Probably because I don't have expertise in the area. Am imaging some kind of white-collar business shirt that's... platinum plated? If the design is not extravagant, how would anyone know?

These are the best ones I've ever worn : https://turnbullandasser.co.uk/products/white-west-indian-se...

Aren't shirts in that range having diminshing returns? like couldn't get a $100 shirt that covers most of the benefits? there has to be a optimal local maximum there right?

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Brybry wrote: post #38
saxonww wrote: post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

The American medical system is truly bizarre. I've been to private practices where every day at lunch or near end of day there would be some drug rep with food for all the staff. And a psychiatrist that had stacks of free samples of drugs. Even contact lenses are marketed with free samples.

Drug companies offer a lot of free samples. It's the same drugs the psychiatrists were going to prescribe anyway, they're just trying to get them to prefer one brand over the other. Sertraline, for example, is first line treatment for depression, anxiety. Getting free sertraline samples reduces costs for patients and really helps them out. Especially in my country where generic medication is often found to not be of the same quality as those manufactured by big pharmaceutical companies.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by sbarre »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #570
wildzzz wrote: post #493

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It's because they want to talk to the most power in the decision but with the least information as to how the problem could be solved without the help of Oracle/IBM/whoever.

One would think the decision makers would trust the technical advice of the smart people they've hired instead of the opinion of some obviously lying salesman...

Yeah except that a lot of - not all - executives maintain something akin to class solidarity with other executives at big companies, especially their big vendors..

Because at some point they might want/need another job, and so often times it's better to help each other out, at the expense of the folks lower down.

Those folks are useless to them, personally, but that VP at Big Vendor probably isn't.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by Edman274 »

Spivak wrote: post #467
rurp wrote: post #423

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I agree with this so strongly. The medical gatekeeping is absolutely absurd. I can't remember the last time I learned something from a doctor that I hadn't already learned myself with a quick online search. For every visit in the past decade or longer they either told me what I already knew or we were both stumped. If drives me crazy that I can't make my own decisions about my own health, even for trivial cases. I've…

Yep. Rank and file MDs don’t provide a whole lot of value except to people who are totally ignorant of common illnesses, health issues, or injuries. If I had the ability to order my own tests, blood work, and adjust the dosages of my meds I could do it a hell of a lot better than the doctor I see every 6-12 months. Antibiotics are the some of the worst with this. The doc literally doesn’t even look at me, I just desc…

> to people who are totally ignorant of common illnesses, health issues, or injuries.

Hundreds of thousands, no, potentially millions of people have decided to take hydrochloroquine and ivermectin as a treatment for Covid. The people who believe that they're in a position to dictate their own medical treatment are the ones who most often are "totally ignorant".

Yes, it's more expensive in isolation - in the best case scenario - to have someone competent see a doctor for a refill. But it's a hell of a lot cheaper than the rare case of someone saying "I have self-diagnosed as needing hydrochloroquine for my Covid" and then dying from an overdose after they passed out and their family took them to an expensive emergency room. Your experience is not universal.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

cosmodisk wrote: post #433
Brybry wrote: post #38

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The American medical system is truly bizarre. I've been to private practices where every day at lunch or near end of day there would be some drug rep with food for all the staff. And a psychiatrist that had stacks of free samples of drugs. Even contact lenses are marketed with free samples.

I used to see this in our country, where 10 people are queueing outside doc's office ( this is public health system) when some well dressed man goes straight into the office not even bothering to ask if there's anyone in there and fast forward a few min and the doctor is 'on break', whilst drinking coffee with the sales rep, while all those people sit and wait. Eventually it got outlawed.

That's extremely rude. How could he just barge into the doctor's office? A physical examination could be taking place.

In my experience at a specialized neurology practice: they wait outside until the doctor is free, then knock on the door and ask if they have a moment. They would almost always get straight to business, never wasted more than half a minute of people's time socializing.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

listenallyall wrote: post #151
Brybry wrote: post #38

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The American medical system is truly bizarre. I've been to private practices where every day at lunch or near end of day there would be some drug rep with food for all the staff. And a psychiatrist that had stacks of free samples of drugs. Even contact lenses are marketed with free samples.

Everyone talks about the relationship between drug reps and doctors like it's the most incestuous, evil, corrupt thing. How else are doctors, especially those who are 10, 20 years removed from their residency, supposed to learn about new treatments and medicines? Alexa, what is best current treatment for a duodenal ulcer? You think a doctor is going to spend his limited downtime perusing the PDR (which no longer exis…

> How else are doctors, especially those who are 10, 20 years removed from their residency, supposed to learn about new treatments and medicines?

They are supposed to study. Continuously.

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Post by aahortwwy »

aenis wrote: post #435
mrtksn wrote: post #408

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The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

Funny, similar thing happened to me. IBM along a few other behemots pitched for a serious project at a company I worked for as enterprise arch. All companies brought their top salespeople, and all tried nasty things, but IBM was by far the worst. Their top guy started their pitch by saying he chatted with our CEO over the christmas holidays. He mentioned - and I am not making this up - that he should be talking to pe…

> Their top guy started their pitch by saying he chatted with our CEO over the christmas holidays.

I had a former Oracle employee use a similar line in an interview for a software engineer position. After repeatedly refusing to answer technical questions then admitting they hadn't written software in over a decade:

"I'm actually good friends with someone high up in Company."

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

akudha wrote: post #544
sgt101 wrote: post #515

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These are the best ones I've ever worn : https://turnbullandasser.co.uk/products/white-west-indian-se...

640$, lol My entire wardrobe costs less than that, and no, I am not lying. It must be nice to have enough money to spend on such luxury. Is it really that much better than a $10 t-shirt?

I have multiple articles of clothing that cost more than that. I’m baffled as to why anyone would want a keyboard that costs more than $100. To each his own.

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Post by tsol »

derefr wrote: post #365
wiz21c wrote: post #24

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> bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things My impression is that accompanying a patient is super important, it helps to understand illness, to have a plan in case of more complex treatments, etc. Then my doctor has the ability to know me and gauge my health. She's also very good at probabilities and detecting when something really goes wrong. I'm sure that being able to do that require a lot more than…

“Super important” — more like “super nice-to-have.” Hospitals don’t have any single person on staff who stays attached to particular in-patients. Who knows you? Your chart. Yes, of course, hospital care would be better in many ways if we did have somebody who statefully understood particular patients’ needs. But what I’m saying is, the GPs in hospitals could be replaced with stateless diagnostic AI without making hos…

>Hospitals don’t have any single person on staff who stays attached to particular in-patients.

This is incorrect. Doctors are assigned to patients, and if there is a complication any time or day or night the doctor is contacted to decide what to do. The entire point is so that there is one person who is familiar with the patient, who is also responsible if anything goes wrong. I don't know how malpractice would work with an AI, but given the number of malpractice cases yearly in the US it'd either be sued out of viability or have to be provided with legal immunity(possibly the worst scenario IMO)

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by stathibus »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #442
dr_dshiv wrote: post #421

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Can you expand?

Many people think palantir cracked AI. While they are just using tensorflow and other things like anyone else. Additionally, large tech can't apply for defense contracts because of internal ethical concerns of employees. So the naritive remains.

"Just using tensorflow" is reductive. TF is a design tool, what matters is what you build with it.
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