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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

YouTube is on the side of profit, so is now moderating its platform like the large media companies who have moved in from TV/Cable to also using YouTube. The creators and users are always last place. As I said days before, [0] it will only get worse and YouTube will not change. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29407822

Ironic, because what made them popular was community content. Now that media producers use their platform, it has to cleaned up in the interest of advertisers. Youtube kids (what a horrible idea) for everyone. I really hope for a new alternatives taking root. I don't want TV 2.0 and the content of established media on Youtube is lacking to say the least.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#582
post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

> blatantly and prominently push their political agenda Only if you consider egalitarianism and diversity as political issues. To most of society they are universal values so it’s not contentious.

Having a universal opinion suggested to you is not diversity. Egalitarianism is probably the opposite of their algorithmic suggestions too. But if that is the case, you should remove voting completely.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#583
post #234

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Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

>Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time I see this argument every time dislikes are brought up but no one seems to ever mention views as a third data point. I've never really paid attention to dislikes (other than hearing about dislike raids), but you can still see videos' like:view ratio, which IMO has always been more significant than dislikes anyway.

You cannot infer anything aside "engagement" from that actually, but that is still an bad argument against just displaying the information.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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I agree and do take time to ask others about this stuff. Right now, I enjoy having a broad mix of people, young, old, men, women... to talk to. One thing I love is when they bring me stuff to discuss. The trick is to express an interest and make those conversations fun, real gives and takes. The numbers on people seeking news outside the established media are pretty high. YT and the White House did that public beta a…

It sounds a lot like the people you're talking to are Republican partisans who view most events through that lens.

Not from the US, but how would that change anything? Because just like that you sound more judgmental than this abstract group and that you have a problem with downvotes.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#585

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

I hope that the slippery slope is not real, and it doesn't get to the point where comments such as yours get deleted across all platforms, but I fear I'm wrong.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #543

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>I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind dislike change this isn't a small change, it's a major platform decision that impacts user experience, usability and engagement -- it's also received strong criticism from the community including from the original founder of Youtube [1] (see description), but they're pushing it through anyway You're being too naïve about the corporate agendas behind this change. [1] h…

I worked at Google and other big corps. Generally public attributes way deeper thinking process than actually happens when decisions are done. For YT as business it doesn't actually matter if dislike counter is visible or not: recommendation engine ML works on what people actually watch, like/dislike signal is secondary at best.

It doesn't have to be deep to be evil.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#587
post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

Clearly you don't know about actual evil people in the world, and what they do from their high position in global companies or governments. It's always been like they I think. Good people can't imagine just how evil people can be because it's so far from their own reality.

You don't even have to move to far up or around the social ladder/network to run into these people. They aren't that far. It's just that they might as well be a light year away if you never pierce your social bubble.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#588
post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

> they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda What is their political agenda?

the agenda of the politicians they are in bed width to get the laws and subsidies that support their business. In the case of SV, the politics of the DNC, which isn't really any better or worse than the RNC, but has it's own logo, theme, and set of shiboleths.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#589
post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

> blatantly and prominently push their political agenda Only if you consider egalitarianism and diversity as political issues. To most of society they are universal values so it’s not contentious.

Wait are you saying YouTube's political agenda is egalitarianism and diveristy? Amazing.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#590
Just grab an extension or userscript to reveal them, Here's a good browser extension That is working as of today-

https://returnyoutubedislike.com

I absolutely oppose heavy censorship but some is required otherwise it would turn into crazyshit.com, the only way to have a censor free platform is to be rid of the scum bags that post scams, child porn etc.... Its unfortunate politicians managed to creep their way into youtube and impose biased censorship but its no surprise with how Google is already under the governments thumb with how biased their search results are. Youtube will never be what it was before and I doubt an alternative can take its place without the same thing happening. Thats part of living in a corrupt society, where Wallstreet reigns supreme,the rich exploit and profit off loopholes in our laws instead of doing the right thing, politicians are allowed to be bought through campaign donations and the media isnt held accountable for blatant tabloid like lies. Things will get substantially worse when Meta goes live and studies its users as they go on VR. On the bright side it could be worse, at least were not in a police state like China, Iran where they are trying to ban pets since its Haram or a country with no widespread internet access like North Korea.

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