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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by UncleMeat »

supperburg wrote: post #554
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #480

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> Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. Many of us have tried to listen to Joe Rogan for the former category. When I catch an interview with someone I already know and respect (e.g. John Carmack), it's not bad. But Rogan is also notorious for bringing on over-confident "experts" who present their pet theories as done deal research. Saladino…

Yes, I knew he specializes in psychiatry. He went to the same medical school and took the same classes as any other kind of doctor.

And we don't tend to rely on schooling from decades ago to be evidence of expertise, especially if that person is presenting heterodox conclusions.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by suzzer99 »

bwship wrote: post #424
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For a long time he thought the moon landing was fake. That's not a position you arrive at with reasoned science and understanding how the world works. He's stated he thinks Bigfoot could be real. He does the same thing on a myriad of other topics. He presents some random quack as just as valid as real science. If he was just some random dude none of this would matter. But with 11 million followers, sometimes this "my…

What does understanding about how the world works have to do with the validity of a moon landing?

A fake moon landing would take a conspiracy of 1000s of people, all of whom have kept their mouths shut, even on their deathbeds. That's just one of many things which have had to happen that defy all common sense.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by victor9000 »

ipaddr wrote: post #463
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The problem people have with Joe Rogan, and everyone else like him, is that they're spreading misinformation without having an ounce of education in the subject at hand. People should be listening to the CDC, the FDA, getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and washing their hands. That is best solution we have to the problem, end of story. No amount of agreeable platitudes will make any difference if this disease continu…

The best solution is not a vaccine that works for a few months requiring multiple booster shots meanwhile the rest of the world cannot get enough for one shot. And then allowing the rest of the world to fly in. Putting all your faith in the CDC and choosing not to allow yourself to form your own opinions is an interesting strategy. It absolves you of any responsibility. Do you vote? Choosing someone to make decisions…

That's the thing, opinions are not science. No amount of bike-shedding will be useful in this situation. Your "own research" does not outweigh the clinical trials that have gone into developing these vaccines.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by danenania »

nemothekid wrote: post #580
danenania wrote: post #568

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I don't see how any of that would make him dogmatic. Dogma implies a shared set of principles that are followed without question. His beliefs seem to be an idiosyncratic patchwork stitched together from personal experience and a diverse set of influences. And while he is attached to certain beliefs, as you say, he'll also change his mind easily in other areas. Whether or not you agree or disagree with his specific op…

> Dogma implies a shared set of principles that are followed without question. FWIW, Merriam Webster defines dogma as a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds . That's the definition I was using, that I thought was more colloquial. Simply holding a strongly help opinion on shaky grounds is dogmatic. I don't believe that definition is at odds with what I'm describing.

Um, you cherry-picked a single bullet point out of that definition, and not even the first one.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma

1a. something held as an established opinion, especially a definite authoritative tenet.

1b. a code of such tenets.

1c. a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.

2. a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.

Also, when has Joe Rogan ever claimed, or even implied, that his beliefs are "authoritative"? He constantly does the opposite.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by suzzer99 »

manigandham wrote: post #531
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If you invite me for dinner at your house and I spend 4 hours forcing you to convince me the Earth is round, even if I emerge with changed views, are we really going to be good friends after that?

That's up to you whether you can be friends with people who change your mind. I don't see why that's so hard but Rogan's changed opinion should be seen as a success story about learning.

Rogan changes his mind every time he talks to a guess with a different opinion. The opinion of someone who thinks the moon landing could be fake, or bigfoot could be real, should not be taken seriously by 11 million people when it comes to anything scientific. But sadly it is.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by [deleted] »

titzer wrote: post #259
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You see an equivalency between discussing new vaccine technologies for a novel virus, and discussing whether the Sun orbits the Earth?

Yeah, when they spout obviously false, easily-checkable things like "it alters your DNA" that are clearly intended to scare people.

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by hashbig »

russdpale wrote: post #292
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Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Yeh LOL sandy hook denial is for progressive silicon Valley types who aren't progressive. Maybe Spotify doesn't want to be the 'dive bar' of web platforms. If you aren't offended by Alex Jones you got deeper issues, or perhaps are just ignorant to his white nationalist messaging.

I am offended by him and at the same time don't mind him having a platform to express his "opinions" which apparently is an unpopular opinion on this site.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by SergeAx »

Most online influencers are there to convert their influence into money. (That's why I personally don't interested in influencers, it is like being interested in ads.)

I heard that Joe Rogan got a serious money for his exclusive from Spotify, so his mission is accomplished, deal is done and all he has to do is to follow the letter of contract.

When he needs more money - he will figure something out. Until then this is what his audience got.

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Post by ct0 »

ub99 wrote: post #287
Covzire wrote: post #199

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The ads on Spotify for paying US users is what keeps me off of it for the most part. You can fast forward but it's a gigantic pain in the ass. Their UX is awful too compared to a simple web app, they should just clone a basic Youtube/Odysee/Rumble functionality for their video side.

I am surprised you are getting downvoted. Very long ad breaks on paid accounts are unacceptable and the reason I refuse to listen to this podcast.

I see a potential feature that spotify could differentiate themselves. Pre-marked ads, and a setting to skip automatically.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by adventured »

mikepurvis wrote: post #374
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the health experts a year ago said vaccines would make this go away, and before that they predicted that masks and social distancing would flatten the curve. With the exception of a few countries, none of that happened. At this ponit, I don't think anyone knows anything. due to rampant downvoting, I will respond to individual replies here: "This worked perfectly basically anywhere people actually complied. " Italy ha…

First, places with high vaccination rates are crushing it. There basically isn't a fourth wave in Waterloo Region [1], and we have 85% one dose, 78% two doses at present. Second, those predictions were made ahead of a year of mutation— delta in particular. [1]: https://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/health-and-wellness/posit...

> First, places with high vaccination rates are crushing it.

Israel has an epic Delta outbreak and Britain's Delta outbreak keeps rolling on. So no, they're not crushing it at all.

Israel's weekly Covid counts have soared back near record highs.

Britain's weekly Covid counts are not dropping. They're at 200,000+ weekly cases and sustaining. They've been up there for about a month now.

The vaccines are primarily changing the mortality rate, which is of course critical. The current vaccines can't entirely stop Delta even if you vaccinate 100% of the population.

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