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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

Syzygies wrote: post #505
jl_agilebits wrote: post #356

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Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've already posted this elsewhere, but I've seen multiple threads spreading misinformation that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. This could not be farther from the truth. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. Over the past few years, we've been working on cons…

I'd like to believe this isn't primarily profit motive. What gives me pause is how I write regularly asking for separate vaults for trivial passwords and passwords that could lead to financial ruin. The profit motive wants to keep 1Password simple to use, at the expense of security. I've been forced to buy a second password manager for sensitive passwords.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'd love to know more about your issues with our current vault implementation in more detail, so I can pass along your feedback to the rest of the development team.

> What gives me pause is how I write regularly asking for separate vaults for trivial passwords and passwords that could lead to financial ruin.

Just to clarify, what solution are you asking for? Do you want a local vault option to store sensitive passwords? Or something else?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

vmladenov wrote: post #514
jl_agilebits wrote: post #338

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I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've posted this already in another thread, but there seems to be some misinformation being spread that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a sing…

With respect, I disagree with your conclusion about a SwiftUI version causing hassle for customers. Every time I use an Electron app, I get the distinct feeling that its developers are prioritizing their experience over my own. We the users subsidize faster development cycles with wasted CPU and memory, laggy interfaces, and strange, non-native UX.

Thank you for letting me know your concerns. Just to clarify: when I said that a SwiftUI version would cause hassle for customers, I was referring to how releasing two separate versions of our app - one in Electron, and one in SwiftUI - would be confusing for non-technical users. I should have phrased that better, my bad.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

larkost wrote: post #401
jl_agilebits wrote: post #320

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> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I personally enjoy having consistent user interfaces across the apps that I use, and there are many other people that would say the same, so I would avoid making broad assumptions. From our perspective, consistent user interfaces are a win-win…

This is a curious response. I would have used the same reasoning as an argument against Electron (or similar unified development systems): they are not consistent with all of the other native apps that people use. I don't know if your reasoning is that looking like a web app means it is consistent with those apps, or that the apps look the same across platforms, but neither of those arguments are compelling to me. I…

Thank you for that well-written explanation of your concerns. Your frustrations are shared by many users in this thread, and I'll do my best to pass them forward to the rest of the dev team.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Mindwipe »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #375
Mindwipe wrote: post #364

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I read the paper when it was published, and wasn't great then and it's definitely not great now.

> I read the paper when it was published, and wasn't great then and it's definitely not great now. Would you mind elaborating on this?

It's really simple. It just doesn't consider anything unexpected happening.

Compromised algorithms are unlikely. But not impossible. Quantum computing enabling brute force attacks is unlikely in the immediate future, but not impossible. Certificate pinning compromise during transport is not implausible for state actors.

And in those scenarios and others, having the vault stored remotely on someone else's machines is inherently less secure than not.

The assumptions made in the paper are clumsy.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

tylerhou wrote: post #382
Tepix wrote: post #328

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What percentage of users will be using the app across multiple operating systems and notice and prefer having a consistent interface?

Anecdote, but, my workstation is Linux, my work laptop is macOS, my personal computer is Windows where I run Linux VMs. I run 1Password across all these operating systems. Having a consistent interface is nice and it means I don't have to relearn the UI three times.

I think many people here will have a similar setup but that isn't representative of the general population or probably even 1Password's client base.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by scbrg »

e_proxus wrote: post #569
stuzenz wrote: post #201

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I was reading through the comments wondering why so many technically capable people are paying for a password store service when passwordstore works nicely in the space and gives you some comfort in knowing how it works. I highly recommend pass. My set up is as follows: - setup the key, share the private key to other devices who are going to use the same pass store; - use syncthing to sync my passwords between device…

For me it’s more about trust. I’d rather trust a company with decades of experience this area than a bunch of random developers that published different unvetted apps on various app stores. And technically, Syncthing doesn’t really seem viable on mobile last time I looked (and also has the problem of 3rd party apps instead of official ones).

How different we think. I'd much rather put my trust in select people, such as Jason Donenfeld (creator of pass, Wireguard &c) with impeccable track records, than random companies that are always one quick change of management away from selling all your data off to the highest bidder.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by gspr »

I'm still baffled why anyone on HN would be using anything other than https://www.passwordstore.org/

A dead simple (in the good sense!) CLI program that lets GPG deal with encryption and git deal with synchronization and distribution. It's perfect. And FOSS, of course.

You don't even have to run your own internet-facing git repo for synchronization across devices. You can just put it all on GitHub or whatever.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by rockbruno »

runlevel1 wrote: post #164
donohoe wrote: post #134

I love 1Password but the subscription-only path doesn't sit well with me. They're intentionally removing key features so they can justify providing a service that I can do myself. I'm increasingly sick of good standalone software suddenly moving to this model. They are a business, I get it. However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I get it with Slack, Dropbox, Github, etc as they all starte…

The gaslighting also makes me very uncomfortable: > The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service and many of those who initially purchased a license later changed their mind and traded it in for a membership. With each of the last two versions, they hid the standalone version more. I'd hardly characterize all 97% of those users as voluntary. Their PR doublespeak isn't helpi…

I'm one of these people. I didn't even know there was a non-subscription version when I bought it.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by perryizgr8 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #408
donohoe wrote: post #202

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I remember dropping cable cos of the costs and now we all have 2-5 streaming services we pay for...?

And you can cancel and subscribe at a moments notice, unlike cable contracts and having to use cable boxes and equipment rental fees. And you can watch whenever, wherever you want. Sounds like a great improvement to me. You also do not have to pay for 2 to 5 streaming services. You can choose 1, or 2, or however many you want.

> You can choose 1, or 2, or however many you want.

That way you could also "choose" not to pay for cable. But the reality is that if you want to watch all the latest popular shows and movies you have to pay for 4-5 streaming services.

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