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dannyw wrote: post #259
AKSucks wrote: post #226

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Can we please not use the term "sex worker" for people who do not face the vast majority of risks (health/physical, financial, legal-of-the-criminal-sort, and emotional) that someone who actually engages in sex with other people for money does? You (generally speaking) cannot get infected with STIs, pregnant, assaulted, raped, drugged, stabbed, murdered, convicted, jailed - for being a camgirl. You (generally speakin…

Before getting super vocal, please consider that HN is a global community and hence your critique might be very irrelevant to GP or other readers. Sex work is very different in Australia for example, where it is regulated, with regular testing, mandated security at venues, and no risk of criminalisation. Full access to banking. And while assaults are always a risk, there are "camgirls" who have been doxxed and raped…

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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by harambae »

cunthorpe wrote: post #10

I think that people need to understand that once they put themselves out there, especially in sex-fueled environments, they’re adding risk to their lives. They put their sex on full display and think “yeah this is totally fine” while it obviously carries some huge societal weight. I’m not justifying their actions, but also don’t be surprised when they happen. The world isn’t perfect yet. I don’t care much about OF, b…

While I'm not a heartless person and what happened in this article's story sounds both terrible and illegal, it also strikes me as a "comes with the territory" type of situation. There are downsides to most high paying jobs, otherwise everyone would do them (and then they wouldn't pay as well).

It reminds me in some ways of "Locked Up Abroad" episodes where the person is easily making incredibly money smuggling drugs from southeastern asia and then is shocked when they are given an extremely harsh prison sentence.

Like yes, there's a reason why a lot of other people didn't want to do this. The hourly premium was there for a reason. There's a downside. (Obviously it's not identical because Onlyfans is legal, but you get the gist)

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by unclenoriega »

echelon wrote: post #377
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #239

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This is so much true. It's almost like swearing in English is not swearing at all, even in semi-formal context. You can tell the worst swear in English you can think of, and it just sounds harmless compared to swearing in local language.

I'd posit English doesn't have swear words anymore. I'm a native English speaker and I've noticed that swearing no longer feels like a big deal. Our media and online discourse are saturated with the worst swears our language has to bear, to the point none of it hits with gravity. I also think some of it has to do with changing generational attitudes. Millennials and Gen Z use swearing as friendly banter. You can call…

Nine Nasty Words by John McWhorter talks about exactly this progression of the profane.

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Post by NateEag »

XCSme wrote: post #577
m12k wrote: post #407

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I see it the other way around: Not being an asshole isn't the default, it's something you need to learn, and not everyone does. I actually have a sneaking suspicion that most people don't learn it, but just learn to fake it while others are watching.

I think that most animals are non-assholes by default, doing mostly what it takes to survive and live as peacefully as possible.

Go read about young male dolphins' sexual habits.

And what mother lions in packs do to cubs other than their own.

There are more examples than just those two.

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Post by sitkack »

ljm wrote: post #340
hliyan wrote: post #319

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I speak a non-European language and my experience is exactly the same. Swearing in my native tongue just sounds extremely vulgar. Swearing in English - no problem.

I'm learning Russian and I seriously have to think twice if I want to swear in Russian because I feel like I'd be crossing a line, there's nothing casual about it. I don't feel quite the same about Spanish, although the expletives that are more layered in metaphor amuse me more than anything else. Me cago en la leche!

Why would you doo-doo that?

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Post by kristopolous »

packetslave wrote: post #437
chasd00 wrote: post #312

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It didn’t start out for porn but grew in that direction. Iirc when it started taking off there weren’t that happy about the porn but bank account deposits are a hell of a drug.

From what I recall, OF really took off in the porn world when Patreon banned adult content.

I think gfycat approached this right. They sub-branded adult content to a separate domain called redgif, this allowed them to do both.

LA weekly did this with Backpage famously about 15 years ago. It essentially became exclusively sex work ads and they were the financial driver that funded the local journalism for years

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Post by mkw2000 »

feudalism wrote: post #560
emptysongglass wrote: post #183

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My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

> My wife who is a sex worker Jesus... > She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none. Honestly don't get this. As if she expects sex work to be a dignified occupation? > The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. Yes certainly that. Not to mention that whorish behavior is being glo…

I bet the ladies love this guy

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Post by tsimionescu »

ipaddr wrote: post #536
tsimionescu wrote: post #105

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Or, some stalker might try to blackmail her with making this information public. Some professor might lower her grades because he is outraged by her behavior. Some colleagues might distance themselves from her because they view this as immoral. Given the status of sex work, there are many reasons why many who do it do not want to associate their private identity with it.

You can't live in fear of other people's prejudices. Sex work is nothing to be ashamed about. You can't blackmail someone making a few bucks on fansonly. If you tried to do it to someone at the top who had money the platform, police and dmca notices would come flying your way. Professors marking you low because of fansonly seems like a stretch. They can mark you low because you sleep in their class and are more likel…

> You can't live in fear of other people's prejudices.

That is an extremely privileged take. When other people take their prejudices to extreme levels, you can and sometimes must live in fear of them. Anti-sex work prejudices in modern day USA may not be as bad as anti-gay prejudices in Saudi Arabia, but the principle is not entirely different.

> You can't blackmail someone making a few bucks on fansonly. If you tried to do it to someone at the top who had money the platform, police and dmca notices would come flying your way.

Imagine you are a college-age girl working anonymously on OnlyFans and you receive a message asking you to do something small - go out on a 'date', send more nudes, help cheat on some exam, even send some amount of money - or they will reveal your identity to parents and peers. Do you think you could be unfazed and calmly assume that authorities will take care of it?

> Professors marking you low because of fansonly seems like a stretch.

What if this was a religious college, or just a particularly religious professor? Do you think that having a reputation as a sex worker will not impact the way you are treated by some?

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Post by mkw2000 »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #484
neonbones wrote: post #438

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I can tell something from a POV of a webcam. My ex-girlfriend was a webcam model on the biggest website (chatur), and she was successful. It was even before the rising and growth of OF, somewhere around 2017. She was happy with her job, and as I know, she is still satisfied with the money she gets from it. Usually, it's around $500-1000 and even $2-3k for one day of work. It's happened because we live in a poor count…

Our culture is sick. I don't judge you or your ex-girlfriend for doing it but the whole webcam business shouldn't be a thing. Governments should do more to help socially awkward people make real connections with others outside the internet. Instead people sit at home more and more and then lonely men pay to look at streams of women masturbating. If you got someone to time travel from 100 years ago they'd probably thi…

You think the government should stop people from jacking off?
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