Microsoft announces Windows 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by naikrovek » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

Darvokis wrote: post #426

phendrenad2 wrote: post #186

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Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

> 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) The bigger issue is that a fuckload of native Windows settings can o…

they're migrating things to Settings over time. do people not know this?

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by naikrovek » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:12 AM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #542

phendrenad2 wrote: post #186

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Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

1 is widely broken then by Win11 not supporting 32 bit machines anymore.

uhh... 64-bit hardware can run 32-bit software just fine.

that old software will run fine and so will any connected hardware.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by imbnwa » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:14 AM UTC

janandonly wrote: post #57

After looking at these screenshots I’m more grateful to be using macOS now than ever before...

Real question is where are all the old Win2K dialogs and menus hiding

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by naikrovek » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:14 AM UTC

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #290

eitland wrote: post #170

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> and moved it for seemingly no reason There is one good reason: some screens are getting really wide.

I swear nobody at Microsoft (and fewer people than I'd hoped on HN) actually talk to non-technical people that use their products. If they'd just added the option to move it I'd have no qualms but they decided to make it default and I'd be willing to put money down that the overwhelming majority of Windows users do not have super widescreen displays.

why do you guys think you can't move the start button? of course you can. you can put it right back in the lower left corner on Win 11 if you want....

I swear people just GO OFF with half the story and assume they have the full story.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by hackinthebochs » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:15 AM UTC

bick_nyers wrote: post #319

hackinthebochs wrote: post #56

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With huge monitors becoming the norm, having important click targets aligned to corners makes little sense.

The only people using ultrawide monitors (techy people) are the same ones that use the windows hotkey and search, press enter. No mouse movement needed. The UI scale can be changed as well if we are talking about size and not aspect ratio. Edit: Alt+Tab too.

I agree that the start menu isn't an issue, but switching between apps can be. I'm personally not a fan of alt-tab because it requires more thought which breaks flow compared to clicking on an icon which is generally in a fixed position.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:18 AM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #540

Aerroon wrote: post #191

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> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

All the anti-linux comments from people who tried it 15 years ago talking about how windows "just works" not looking so justified now. Thankful I use linux today. While linux has issues this in particular is one thing I don't have to worry about.

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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by blibble » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

literallyaduck wrote: post #288

Every time this happens someone says fuck it and installs Linux. After two weeks some of them come back, but the Linux market share grows. I want an OS that stays current on security patches, attempts to be as unobtrusive as possible, allows for Desktop Environment customization but has sane defaults. I don't want special integrations. The OS should follow single responsibility and defer special functionality to app…

yep, Windows 10's forced updates did that to me

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by MiddleEndian » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

kinjba11 wrote: post #384

badsectoracula wrote: post #225

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> this seems a juvenile response Why? Why not wanting to associate your computer with some Microsoft account is juvenile? > Do you use a smartphone? What does that have to do with anything?

> Do you use a smartphone? >> What does that have to do with anything? I would bet 99% of iOS and Android users sign in with their Apple or Google account. Signing into an account for an OS is par for the course in 2021.

Smartphones being shitty isn't really a good excuse to make PC operating systems similarly shitty.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Spivak » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

naikrovek wrote: post #571

nicce wrote: post #440

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I think this should not be related for OS tiers. Every user should have possibility to use different accounts on their computer, and to adjust permission levels of them and choose which one to connect to MS account. One could be sceptical that with admin account required for MS account, telemetry collection and applying some other kind of restrictions is much easier to target the vast majority of the users.

where does it say that only MS accounts can be used or that you can only use one user account on the machine? if you want to use a local account, USE ONE.

Yeah I don’t think MS is going to rip out Local Users and Computers any time ever.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Spooky23 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 2:28 AM UTC

k12sosse wrote: post #422

ryan29 wrote: post #389

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I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's s…

Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.

Not for long. Azure AD P2 for all, baby.