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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by gentleman11 »

lowkeyokay wrote: post #263
zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

> I mean, DDG worked fine for 95% of time, but the remaining 5% failure often led to some extreme frustration that I just couldn't stand. Is 95% really not acceptable?My experience is quite different though. When I don’t get the results I hoped I just use !g. Easy. But the result are rarely any better

I tried brave search today and the results were rather good. I have no idea what 95% working means but this is a nice start

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by getcrunk »

ntp85 wrote: post #559
kaba0 wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patching a few things in chrome is radically easier than maintaining and improving a completely different browser engine. And just because Google pays some money to firefox for their own selfish reason to not be caught in monopoly busting doesn’t create any twisted incentives for Firefox. It is the privacy-oriented browser fighting for a worthy case. Also, it is improving all the time - it’s just that for some reason…

> Also, it is improving all the time - it’s just that for some reason the few missteps are way overpronounced. I don't understand why Firefox gets this benefit of doubt and other browsers (e.g. Brave) do not.

Well for one, because Mozilla has contributed significantly to the world and have a long history of doing so. (Thunderbird, mdn)

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by pythux »

Dah00n wrote: post #365
throwaway292893 wrote: post #311

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DDG just uses Bing results. This solution is completely independent. You may ask why that's needed, just recently DDG was censoring the "tank man" photo on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square because Bing was censoring it. This new indexer is very much welcome and I hope it stays free of censorship from the CCP, marxists, and others.

>This solution is completely independent. It is not. It is Cliqz tailcat plus Bing . Censorship from Bing will end up at brave too.

"Cliqz tailcat" is an independent index and we rely on third-parties like Bing for a small portion of requests where we are not confident enough (although we would be able to serve 99% of the requests, users expect the best quality). For the long answer you can read here: https://search-dev.brave.com/help/independence

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by mkl »

rpdillon wrote: post #485
smoldesu wrote: post #425

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As much as I know you want to chime in here, I'm not going to play any games where you draw the goalposts. My current options are the following: 1. I can continue to use Vivaldi and uBlock origin as a completely open-source and so far flawless combo or 2. Go out of my way to switch to a browser with dubious privacy claims, a goddamn personal cryptocurrency and (the cherry on top) a developer who spent the better half…

Is Vivaldi open source? The only reason I don't use it is because it's closed, so this would be great news!

No. They publish their changes to Chromium's code, and kind of dodge answering that question: https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by getcrunk »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #501
renewiltord wrote: post #490

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Considering their ads are opt-in this argument makes no sense. Which class of person both wants to “protect themselves from ads” and opts in? Brave isn’t a browser I use but you guys are not even reading the comments you’re responding to.

People who are tricked into thinking they are helping content creators by watching the ads that Brave serves. People who feel like they might be stealing a contents creators work unless the watch the ads. Why would anybody opt in to watch the ads otherwise? Update: Sorry, I just ready below that _users_ are paid up to 70% to watch ads which I did not realize even though that is what is said above. Explains why you wo…

And what's wrong with that? Brave blocks adds then allows you to opt in to see their ads. If that some how is theft then so is blocking ads in there first place.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by getcrunk »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #444
mapgrep wrote: post #417

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Person 1: Brave replaces existing ads, that’s bad Someone from Brave: actually we don’t replace existing ads at all, here’s why Person 2: no one cares what you do or don’t do with existing ads! I don’t have any connection to Brave but I find it odd they’ve become some kind of hate figure here on HN. Their iOS client IMO is quite good. Their privacy is miles ahead of the other options. But merely by trying to be priva…

I didn’t realize Brave had become a “hate figure” here but it seems like the discussion in this thread took a hard turn to the kind of conspiratorial, reactionary, nasty “gotcha” reply behavior I come to Hackernews specifically to avoid. In this thread are multiple examples of the Brave employee saying Thing A and just getting mean-spirited responses reframing A as negatively as possible as if it’s an argument retort…

Haters gonna hate.

This problem is all too common though in all parts of life. Someone does something with a good intention for the betterment of people/society and then some others who are not on the other side of the status quo have have to come bring negativity because all they have in them is destructive and constructive (hate vs compromise/support)

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by gpmcadam »

I'm really impressed by how finished this beta feels. Well done!

The only thing stopping me from trying this out as my default search engine is my new-found reliance on the 'bang operators' on DuckDuckGo. Being able to type: !subreddit or !maps or whatever right in my address bar has become so convenient I feel I'm probably locked in for now. Maybe if something similar appears in future versions I might switch.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by nagarjun »

hnlmorg wrote: post #564
zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

DDG already includes Google (amongst others) in its results. It's not just a front end to Bing, like many assume (though I can't find DDG's article on the subject to directly cite). The thing with people who switch to DDG is, they do so consciously for privacy reasons but then forget that the reason G's results are so good is because they add little bits of context in through their profiling. But that doesn't mean th…

> Or if you're search for a restaurant, add in your home town too.

This definitely doesn't help in India. If you live in the US, Brave/DDG can probably serve you better local results. It's abysmal in India. Google local results in India are orders of magnitude better here.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

hnlmorg wrote: post #564
zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

DDG already includes Google (amongst others) in its results. It's not just a front end to Bing, like many assume (though I can't find DDG's article on the subject to directly cite). The thing with people who switch to DDG is, they do so consciously for privacy reasons but then forget that the reason G's results are so good is because they add little bits of context in through their profiling. But that doesn't mean th…

> DDG already includes Google (amongst others) in its results. It's not just a front end to Bing, like many assume (though I can't find DDG's article on the subject to directly cite).

Per DDG's own help pages, they use mostly Bing and no Google. (The mixture of over 400 sources that they claim is used to provide the infobox-type results, which they call "Instant Answers", not the regular search results)

> We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google).

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/

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